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These rules should also apply to players using market bots to monitor and update orders, right?

I ask this question for specific clarifcation, only because I have reported a few rather obvous market bots in the recent past, and yet no serious action appeared to be taken against them - perhaps they were given a warning, but certainly they were never hit with any temp ban, and are still operating.

We can regrettably not sanction or otherwise authorize the use of specific third party programs or setups. We hope you understand that we can not realistically do so given the multitude of programs, use cases and user setups that can emerge. There is also the fact that CCP has no direct control over the development of programs created by third parties; a program which complies with the EVE EULA today may be updated tomorrow with a feature which violates the EVE EULA. We can therefore not make any direct statement concerning your inquiry in particular.

In short, we do not provide support beyond that listed in our official policies and public statements on the matter. Use of any third party tools is done entirely at the risk of the user and we can not publish a comprehensive list of allowed and prohibited configurations.

We can point you to the following resources and statements on the use of third party programs. We hope these resources prove helpful to you in determining if what you want to do is permitted by the EULA or not:

Third party policies - http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/

Statement on Multiboxing/Multiplexing - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241022

EULA – http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/

Terms of Service – http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/

We strongly advise you to refrain from using the program in question if there is still any uncertainty to the legitimacy of what you wish to do. We wish to stress the above point again: any use of third party tools is done entirely at the user‘s (your) risk and there may be severe repercussions, potentially including permanent closure of your game account(s).

We can ultimately only recommend that you do not use any sort of third party program which assist with EVE gameplay and/or change the way the game is played. A good rule of thumb to keep...

Hi,

I have seen the video on youtube about your attempts to prevent botting and account hacking. a lot of emphasis seems to be on specific ip addresses. you are aware that many ISP, especially in rural areas have a shared ip address for the majority of their customers ? i am network engineer for one of those ISP and i know for sure there are other eve players on the road with the same ip address. how do you determine that same ip address is not same person. in other words, will i be punished because i share an ip address with many other players ?

Fly Safe !
Lea

CCP Peligro,

that in fact means i can scrap my logitech G13 ?

Rgds
Lea

"A good rule of thumb to keep in mind is that if you have to ask, then the activity in question is probably prohibited." - CCP Peligro

The operative word in there is "if you HAVE to ask" not just if you WANT to ask. Quit wanting so badly. lol

Don't have to scrap it since the G13 works nicely as a mouse. It's got a left and right mouse button and a scroll wheel and moves you pointer around the screen. Just don't use the embedded software to construct macros for all those other little buttony things

PS - INB4 someone asks about the MACRO keys and associated software in keyboards.

What is your and CCP's definition of "how the game is played"? You didn't expect people to live in wormholes, yet they did. You didn't expect people to min/max their PVP, but they did. Are they in violation of the EULA?
Are you confirming that EVE-O is banned then? That Pyfa, EFT, and Fuzzworks are banned? They change how the game is (was) played from EVE's release. TS3, Mumble, Overwolf, and Steam output an overlay on the screen; are they banned too? No, CCP Peligro, I didn't think so. Neither does ISBoxer, unless you have some contrived answer or proof. You want to enforce your EULA for ISBoxer? Fine, we say. But enforce it unilaterally. You can't pick and choose which parts of the EULA you want to enforce simply because it isn't convenient to you if you make us abide by it's entirety.
As for "best interest", you make me laugh. You provided zero evidence supporting this cockamamie statement even as players came out and told you that more people quit because of CODE in a single month than an ISBoxer in it's entire lifespan. You want to talk about the health of EVE? Fine, lets. While I am relatively neutral on hyperdunking, it's a serious issue that can and has driven players away. I'm saying this both as a freighter pilot and as a ganker.
Are you going to ban every Russian player who remaps their keyboard from Cyrillic to English? How about from Korean to English? Am I going to be banned for using Logitech's software to change the side-keys of my G600 to something other than "1-12"? How about that vet that came back from Afghanistan without his hand? If I remember correctly, he purchased a G13 Gamepad so he could be competitive in EVE. These are the questions that have been asked of CCP for the past two+ years, and time after time we have received silence, shrugs, or outright hostility from both CCP devs and the rest of the player-base.

We used to be able to do our thing with only the weekly "grr ISBoxer" thread in GD, and whoever wanted to smacktalk in local. We were not immune to ganks, we were not immune to server hiccups, and we were not immune to human error, so no, we are not playing the game differently than how it is played. You're confusing ISBoxers and botters, and that is not the kindergarten-level mistake a professional in the game development industry ought to make.

Stop attempting to scapegoat every problem you have in the game on ISBoxers. ISBoxers were one of your most dedicated and supportive player groups. We were contributing positive members of the community. We weren't "leveling our Raven"; we were dedicated to the game you created. Arguably we were as dedicated as those who owned Titans and Supercarriers (I must interject here and say I found it very interesting how many people finally trained a supercarrier and left. It was quite startling) and we were very happy to take time out of our day to sit down with a player, either from EVE or outside the game, and discuss both EVE itself, and multiboxing. We were loyal fans, and CCP did nothing more than kick us in the teeth.

"play" means how you interact with the client. Not how you play using the tools provided by the client.

I fully expect CCP to continue ignoring the childish posts of "but why didn't HE get in trouble?" or "why is THIS allowed?" and screen resolutions or graphics card drivers getting bans and such... My hats off to you for having a high tolerance!

Keep up the good work CCP!

i agree, KOS checkers for example, a 3rd party app takes info from a window and displays info on a char in a non eve application. i think it is indeed relevant and not asked to much to get clarification.

Lea