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Zamory
Alpha Centauri Corp
#1 - 2015-04-11 20:29:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Zamory
Increasing the size of some of the Supercarriers would make them appear far more noteable as something that is "super", for instance the Wyvern & Nyx, they're really small for their class, in my opinion & quite a few others. An increase of perhaps 40% in lenght & 10% in width would make them look very nice & intimidating at the same time ! Just a thought.

(The percentage i wrote was just an example)
Cadre Arareb
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#2 - 2015-04-11 23:18:14 UTC
Being a fan of supers, I wouldn't mind them being made larger. Although, As a eve pilot. They should not be changed. Here's why:
Currently the 4 super carriers are sized at (In order of length)
Revenent - 5,588m long
Aeon - 4,673m long
Hel - 4,028m long
Nyx - 3,318m long
Wyvern - 3,227 m long

Now if they were to be stretched by your 40% they would all be:
Revenent - 7,823 m long
Aeon - 6,542 m long
Hel - 5,639 m long
Nyx - 4,645 m long
Wyvern - 4518m long

While the Wyvern and Nyx would be about the size of the modern Aeon, the others would be demeaning towards the "Titans" of eve. A titan should be significantly larger than any other ship in this game. A avatar is only 13000m long. Should a reventent truly only be 6km shorter?

Also another issue with your plan. If they increase their length by 40%, Their height by 10% and leave width unchanged. They would be the laughing stock of eve. It would have to be 40/40/40. Which would also make them funny looking.
Honestly. Just keep them their current size. Look on the bright side. At least the archon isn't longer than the wyvern anymore.

The supers will rise again!
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-04-12 01:54:53 UTC  |  Edited by: d0cTeR9
Only the Nyx and the Wyvern need an addition 1000 meter added. The other's are fine.

Same deal with the regular carriers, except this time the nid is insanely small compared to other's, while the Archon is supercarrier size...

I flew a wyvern pre-graphic changes... it was the size of a Rokh... When the Rokh came out Oops

Been around since the beginning.
Zamory
Alpha Centauri Corp
#4 - 2015-04-13 11:48:17 UTC
Cadre Arareb wrote:
Being a fan of supers, I wouldn't mind them being made larger. Although, As a eve pilot. They should not be changed. Here's why:
Currently the 4 super carriers are sized at (In order of length)
Revenent - 5,588m long
Aeon - 4,673m long
Hel - 4,028m long
Nyx - 3,318m long
Wyvern - 3,227 m long

Now if they were to be stretched by your 40% they would all be:
Revenent - 7,823 m long
Aeon - 6,542 m long
Hel - 5,639 m long
Nyx - 4,645 m long
Wyvern - 4518m long

While the Wyvern and Nyx would be about the size of the modern Aeon, the others would be demeaning towards the "Titans" of eve. A titan should be significantly larger than any other ship in this game. A avatar is only 13000m long. Should a reventent truly only be 6km shorter?

Also another issue with your plan. If they increase their length by 40%, Their height by 10% and leave width unchanged. They would be the laughing stock of eve. It would have to be 40/40/40. Which would also make them funny looking.
Honestly. Just keep them their current size. Look on the bright side. At least the archon isn't longer than the wyvern anymore.


Changing the size of all the Supercarriers by 40% would've made some of them indeed quite too long/big, but could compromise a bit by reducing the change in "%" for the bigger ones, for instance the Aeon doesn't even need a change, but the Hel could get recieve a 10% increase in lenght, and perhaps 5% in width & height. Although i believe that All Supercarriers should have a minimum lenght of 4000 meters. The Wyvern for instance is not even twice the size of the Barghest battleship :/
Zamory
Alpha Centauri Corp
#5 - 2015-04-13 11:52:39 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
Only the Nyx and the Wyvern need an addition 1000 meter added. The other's are fine.

Same deal with the regular carriers, except this time the nid is insanely small compared to other's, while the Archon is supercarrier size...

I flew a wyvern pre-graphic changes... it was the size of a Rokh... When the Rokh came out Oops


Those two Supercarriers definitely need a change like that, 1km longer ! The size of a Rokh, now that's small! Unless the Rokh was over 3km from the start :) But yes, a 1km longer Nyx & Wyvern sounds very good.
Cadre Arareb
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#6 - 2015-04-13 14:56:08 UTC
Following your logic, the Avatar and Erebus will have to be stretched out to 18km. Every battleship would have to be within 200-300m of each other. Diversity in ships is a good thing. That should carry over in capitals. The amarr have the largest supers and carriers, but the smallest dreads. Caldari are the other way around. Small carriers big gun boats

The supers will rise again!
Tuea
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-04-13 19:45:31 UTC
If you were to compare the volume of super carriers with that of a titan, they should look 1/3 of the size of titans. Super carriers have about 55,000,000 volume, normal carriers have about 13,000,000 volume, and battleships have about 500,000 volume. Volume represents the amount of space an object takes up, so a super carrier should take up 10 times more space than a battleship and 4 times that of a regular carrier. The way it is now battleships and regular carriers are pretty close to the same size of super carriers like the nyx and wyvern. Tell me how does a nyx fit a battleship that looks the same size of it fit inside it? It makes no sense.
Cadre Arareb
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#8 - 2015-04-13 20:36:51 UTC
Tuea wrote:
Tell me how does a nyx fit a battleship that looks the same size of it fit inside it? It makes no sense.


Tell me, How do spaceships fly? Why don't they follow traditional physics?

Its a game. Don't try and bring real-world physics into this.

The supers will rise again!
Zamory
Alpha Centauri Corp
#9 - 2015-04-13 21:03:40 UTC
Cadre Arareb wrote:
Following your logic, the Avatar and Erebus will have to be stretched out to 18km. Every battleship would have to be within 200-300m of each other. Diversity in ships is a good thing. That should carry over in capitals. The amarr have the largest supers and carriers, but the smallest dreads. Caldari are the other way around. Small carriers big gun boats


Although the Erebus & Avatar make up for it in overall size, as in they're massive in width & height. Whilst the Leviathan & Ragnarok are quite a bit longer, they clearly smaller in width & height, and NONE of them are anywhere smaller than the capital class beneath them, which are the Supercarriers.

And the Wyvern & Nyx are sadly quite a bit smaller than all dreads in overall size, so in my opinion, it would be a very appreciated feature to make atleast all the Capital class ships Bigger than their class below, as you can clearly see with the Titans all being much bigger than all of the ships that are right below them (Supercarriers)

Just some thoughts, i really believe it would make it much more appealing to have all Supercarriers a minimum lenght than that of the largest Dread :)
Tuea
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-04-13 22:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuea
Cadre Arareb wrote:
Tuea wrote:
Tell me how does a nyx fit a battleship that looks the same size of it fit inside it? It makes no sense.


Tell me, How do spaceships fly? Why don't they follow traditional physics?

Its a game. Don't try and bring real-world physics into this.


Spaceships fly because they have the engines to do so in zero gravity? Im sorry but there are so many aspects in the game based heavily off of real world physics. The ship sizes are not at the proper proportions. It should be the goal to make the game as realistic as possible.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#11 - 2015-04-13 22:51:30 UTC
First they need to make capital and super capital ships relevant again.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Cadre Arareb
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#12 - 2015-04-13 23:10:45 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
First they need to make capital and super capital ships relevant again.


They never stopped being relevant. Supers are still a effective way of destroying other capital fleets. Which is kinda their job when you think about it. True, Their ability to structure grind is being taken away, but they will still be useful overall.

The supers will rise again!
Tuea
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-14 00:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuea
There will be no point to bring in supers if there is no capital fleets to destroy. There is absolutely no need to field capitals at all in the new system. Everything can be accomplished in small subcaps...
To mare
Advanced Technology
#14 - 2015-04-16 11:36:30 UTC
it's not the size it's how you use itBig smile
Zamory
Alpha Centauri Corp
#15 - 2015-04-16 20:57:27 UTC
To mare wrote:
it's not the size it's how you use itBig smile


Hehe of course, but it makes them look so much better & powerful, a good psychological effect & pure eye candy c:
Lugh Crow-Slave
#16 - 2015-04-18 03:11:32 UTC
didn't CCP say they were working on making all caps (and structures) bigger at fan fest starting with the chimera?


also this should be in F&I not the test server thread

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Cadre Arareb
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#17 - 2015-04-18 03:52:59 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
didn't CCP say they were working on making all caps (and structures) bigger at fan fest starting with the chimera?


also this should be in F&I not the test server thread



Your logic is not welcome here.

The supers will rise again!