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Check out CCP Peligro's latest dev blog A quick update from Team Security - Recap from Fanfest 2015.

What is the penalty for hiding accounts? That is, someone hides which accounts are theirs, so if they get a 7 day ban, it will not be on all their accounts?

That depends, as there are different ways of "hiding your accounts" - some include client modification, which will get you permanently banned on first offense.

It's not possible to "launder" or otherwise transfer assets from one account to another, without leaving a trail of logs, which we can use to figure out who is benefiting from such EULA/TOS infringing activities. Most of our detection capabilities comes from server-side log analysis.

Please do a Tears of the Multi-boxer youtube video

Can someone from CCP please answer the following?

I 1st posted this in the input duplication thread, with no response....

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5605658#post5605658

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Can someone from CCP please clarify what Team Security presented during Fanfest?



They seem to say its "client modification" if you put VFX inside your client window. Then state to "read the EULA" and that these programs modify the client.

CCP's Example of a modified Client

That is of course false, since your just using built in Window DWM / AERO features (the same thing you see when you hold alt-tab). This is a built in windows feature that you could implement on your PC without using tools like ISBoxer, which just makes it easier.

In fact CCP is helping development one now.

If I use the CCP endorsed DWM tool, which modifies how the game client is presented, am I not in the same violation?

EVE-O preview - multi-client preview

That program is EASILY following the same pathway that ISBoxer uses to modify clients for easier window management, it could VERY QUICKLY turn into the same exact feature set (would that be falling into some kind of copyright infringement, CCP?)

However since they are seemingly intent on calling Windows Features "client modification", using VFX and Rollover OUTSIDE the client cant be considered client modification.

So if I use VFX, Clickbars, round-robin etc OUTSIDE the client window, I am not modifying the client in anyway, so therefor I am not in violation if I am using CCP's strict interperation of the rules.

This is an example of a dxnothing window that DOES NOT in anyway put anything inside the EVE Client Window. This MUST be within the EULA based on CCP's presentation. (Before anyone harps the "3rd party tool for an advantage to the average player" garbage, 1st defend the CCP endorsed EVE-O Preview tool, Evernus, Elinor, EVEHQ and many other 3rd party programs that give you an advantage over others).



Assuming that using Rollover buttons OUTSIDE of the client is ok, since im not "modifying the client", then what is the issue? Am I not allowed to send a "left mouse button click" when I move my mouse?

In Team Security's presentation they stated you CAN use Touch Screens. Ok, can I use a Touch Screen to activate a bunch of modules in a row (like all of my low slots)? Is using Touch Screens ok but using Rollover's not ok?

What about just re-mapping the keys from my clients onto my keyboard or another input device?

Are we allowed to make key remaps? Can I remap F1 on Client #2 to F2 instead?

If I get a Xkey 80 and assign each button, I could easily use bombers almost as effeicently as using Rollover or Input Duplication... Is this allowed? Its certainty not a macro, just a key remap? How would CCP know the difference though? I can hit 16 + buttons in a second using my fingers, what if i just took my fist and smashed all the keys?

There is a simple solution to all of this vagueness

If you dont want to name features directly then draw a line

" you cannot send more then x commands to your clients in x seconds."

Simple, easy to follow, no confusion. Something like that would be completely feature agnostic.

This current vagueness is complete garbage.

I and others have outlined questions and concerns at Dual-boxing.com

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/52086-Team-Security-EVE-Fanfest-presentation-1500-GMT-on-Saturday-March-21st?p=397319&viewfull=1#post397319

No 2FA updates from me right now, but it's coming! It's a big topic and we'll have a dev blog about 2FA in the foreseeable future.

the reasons why input broadcasting was banned were clearly explained

don't whine that nobody has given a reason when your actual complaint is you don't agree with the reason

Are their particular players you keep an eye on? Outside of the CSM that is.

Well, we tend to behave as though we are watched 24/7 now anyway! Glad to see my paranoia is deserved!

you whined a change was not clearly explained, not a ban, see above