Market Discussions

Depends which modules you flip. There's good ISK in the ultra-high turnover modules if you can get your broker fees very very low.

I tried that and it didn`t really work out for me tbh. Could be my bad skills with the brokers (Broker Relations 4) and low CN standings as I trade mainly in Jita.

When I came back to the game 2 Months ago I injected this char with 100 mill starting capital and worked my way up to a couple of Billions through trading as of now. When I hit the 2-3 billion mark I tried to invest in high turnover items, however I found the 0.1 isk war on those far worse then anywhere else. There seem to be a lot of people engaged in high-volume trading and when I do high volume items I would expect my stock to move quickly. That really wasn`t the case though because of constant undercutting. I tried to just let the order sit there and do some sort of swing trading. However for my taste there was too much capital tied up for too long with too little return.
Maybe my impression of high-volume trading is completely off, but I was expecting to move a stock of 1000 items in 2-3 days at worst when the item has a daily trading volume of 6000+ instead it took me more then a week with pretty much babysitting the orders several times a day.

At the moment I am doing much better at medium volume T2 items mixed with some faction stuff. There are great margins to be had on some T1 modules, but one would have to move massive amounts to make a significant impact in the wallet.

Speaking from experience, don't be surprised if you don't get it.

In fact, you probably shouldn't even bother with uncollateralized loans unless you're feeling lucky.

Anything less than 100m - do mining or missions.
Pays more than Trading per hour in most cases.

More than that, is starts flipping towards trading.

I station trade mainly ( with some null imports) I try to keep it as simple as possible. I have a number of items that I track , I buy at a certain price and am quite happy to sit on my stock for weeks or even months until the price recovers . When it does I dont drop my entire stock in one go, but trickle feed it back onto the markets hopefully maintaining the higher price, and avoiding the 1sk wars. With the general ebb and flow of prices I can usually have 3-5 stock items each week that prices have recovered enough to be worth putting on the market.

Of course the risk is that some stock will never recover enough to give a decent return, the fun/skill is working out what items to buy, but if there wasn't that risk everyone would be doing it.

If you make sure to scale your trade and move your activities as you move along, then your rate is good I think. If you continue doing the same all the time without scaling up, then you'll reach a plateau naturally.

I do both tbh. If I can move a significant amount of said item in a short time that's all fine and dandy for me and I can live quite comfortably with 10-15% margins or less.
I just checked eve-mogul and my best performing product was Fullerite in the last week where I moved several 100k in units. Per unit profit was small but I made about 200 million net profit from that Item alone with very little hassle.

With medium demad Items I try to get somewhere around 30% profit or more if possible. I do not have the capital atm to engage in large scale swing trades or ultra-high volume stuff like minerals. This char is manily used to plex 2 accounts and build up a small nest egg for further endeavours of my main.


Less demanding for me are some faction Items. You do not have to babysit the orders constantly and you basically just need to sit out the weekend swing where module price drops 10-15 million during Saturday/Sunday just to recover come Monday afternoon.

Prime example from last week the True Sansha Sasis Webifier.

Sells around 205ish million in Jita atm. During the weekend it dropped as low as 187 million with buy orders at 185 million. I just left my sell orders sitting and they all sold out by Monday evening.

Moving Ammo / Drones from main hubs to mission hubs - mark it up 15% and wait.

Know your audience, and what I mean by that is are you trying to trade in US, EU AU, RU time zones during peak server populations? When the most people are online that means the chances of the most traders are on as well. I try to upload orders or adjust orders during different times to find what works and what just won't sell during those times. There are small windows of opportunity to be had during small segments of time between the different time zones.

If someone buys 1 out of 1,000 items in your stack you've probably been added to a watch list so they can update an order after you log off. Rather than placing a large stack make the stacks small enough to sell so that by the time the competition checks their order they don't see yours staring at them. Look for orders that haven't been updated regularly.

I mainly buy in one area and haul to a different location for decent turnover. Spread out your stock so you don't focus on just one item that might fall overnight.

Sell pvp items that cancel each other for instance ecm modules to one faction and sensor boosters to rival factions in low sec. Low sec markets can be decent with turnover depending on the popularity of the region. Margins are great and wonderful but offering a fair price will go much further and farther trying to achieve your goals, user consumption increase in the region.

You can also increase the consumption of the region offering a price floor on an item, as other traders .01 isk the price well below yours. The item and region increases in popularity, sell items that assist or increase it's effectiveness. Then sell any of the left over items in the next region over just a bit higher.

When I'm selling in missions hubs with trade hubs nearby I camouflage my price so it doesn't draw .01 attention just a little higher than the lowest price at the main trade hub. When I sell in trade hubs I adjust pricing when the least amount of people are on. What goes up must come down, and when the pilots logon and see the lowest price, they buy.

If you're into speculative selling know that ores/minerals drop as supply increases during summer/vacation months as more pilots are active and mining. Barges/exhumers increase in price closer to July. Combat ship prices climb as well towards the ends of summer and spike in September according to market data history.

Train up remote trade skills to reduce travel time and border hop to stay on top of remote orders, very useful once a low sec market is stocked.

The credit market is frozen. It used to be much easier to get a few billion on an uncollateralized loan than it has been in the past year or so. Too many bad apples I guess.