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I would like to know where we are on the margin trading scams discussions at this point in time. I see we all have been talking about this for years and I for one believe it is now time that the talk stops and action is taken. Will there be a perfect solution? No. However, the best solution to this problem will be any solution. Eve players will adapt. Everyone fears change but we will adapt. This problem is a game mechanic exploit. I for one want the CSM to fully look into this and come up once and for all a understanding of exploits vs scamming. Which one is worth having in the game? Next I would like to see a solution. No sitting on your thumbs and listen to all the complainers of OMG this will happen and this will happen. Always remember Eve Players will adapt. I really don't care if we remove Margin Trading altogether. I really don't care if you colorize the buy order as purple for margin buying. Do something that will kill this horrible exploit and make the markets integrity strong again. Something that should be a constant in the market is integrity. CCP runs the market we just play in it.

Nope.

You do not get to remove one of the cornerstones of the game's economy just because you're too dumb to do your homework before getting greedy.

First off, I love this game. I have been playing since 06. I have seen many exploits and bugs and what not. I believe this is an important matter. To say it isn't would be foolish. I hold CCP to a higher standard than any other gaming company. They have created a great landscape for us. I see CCP as the overseer and or the Central Bank of the Eve Market. When the overseer doesn't believe its important to address an issue that is clearly an exploit but then allows everyone to do it . Why do we need to obey the other EULA terms. I mean this is drastic thinking but it sets a bad precedence. Does this exploit need to be addressed? Yes. If we have margin trading then I for one and many others would love to have a margin call. Freeze assets until the bill is paid. That is harsh but its a start to another lengthy discussion. There may be other pressing matters like what is coming this summer. The market hasn't seen any love for a while now. I just want a fair trade agreement in High Security space. Null Sec can be as ruthless as they want to be. In High Security space this should not stand. We have rules in High Security space. Take your scamming to Low Sec or Null.

Come let us reason together.

I never said it was not vital. I agree it is vital part of the economy. I want to know when and where are we going to get a fix to this exploit. Where is the game mechanic that lets the little guy file suit for false promotion of pricing. Where are my space attorneys. LOL. I feel a statement needs to be made by CCP on this. Acknowledge that its an exploit and anyone caught doing it then gets the two strike rule. Why don't they do that? It would take too much man power. If that takes too much man power then this problem is bigger than we really understand. Do you not agree? I would like the CSM to address this issue seriously. Come up with a fix to this exploit. I will be shrugged off because I was scammed or whatever. I am looking out for the newbs. Many people have quit and never came back because of simple things like this. The market needs to be solid not ran by a bunch of people who are untrustworthy. CCP runs the market. I hope they do the right thing by coming up with a solution. Don't listen to the trillionaires listen to the little guys who made them trillionaires. Wars are fought over isk. lets hit the pocket books and see if they can fight a clean fight. I mean come on lets get our hands dirty and see what we can come up with.

If you feel the need to prevent the false promise of pricing on the market, I'd like to hear you thoughts on the false promise of see selling you a Navy Issue Megathron when I open a trade window with you.


As the Good Malcanis has said; it's not an exploit.

You believe the market to be full of promises - that's your mistake.

Was the question posed to the OP in the very first reply too difficult to understand? This might not be C&P but we still want details.

CCP Rise

Feedback Request - Margin trading and accurate market UI

Now is this not an exploit? Not calling an exploit not an exploit is ridiculous. Come on folks. Stop focusing on staying the same and brushing it aside. Lets come together and fix this once and for all. Bring some pain to those who want to put big buy orders and not want to pay. The risk should work both ways not in favor of the buyer.

It's no more an exploit than suicide ganking is.

Which means it isn't an exploit. It's just "creative use of the mechanics" to prey on the greedy and dumb.


Oh... myyyyy...

You do know that people routinely game the market system... right? By...
- buying up all available orders and then putting them back up at prices 10% higher than before...
- or by cornering a market within a given area...
- or by blowing up any competition (you do know that some of the biggest funders of CODE and several other "well known" merc groups are other industrialists and traders, right?)...
- some combination of the above (see: Goonswarm's Ice Interdiction policy some years ago).

Market "integrity" in EVE is decided by how big your wallet is or by how much you can blow up.


No... no they don't

They can set how many minerals are required for building something... how much LP and ISK you need for that "special thing"... and can decide drop rates...

But how much those minerals are worth is up to the players.
How much that LP (or item) is worth is up to players.
How much a player's time is worth to them is decided by the players.

And here's the best part... it's ALL more or less subjective.

There are miners out there who think that the minerals they earn are free. That's why so many miners just sell their rocks well below the average price.
There are industrialists who just want to unload their stock... and they don't care about taking a loss because the demand of their product is already quite low and won't recover due to the massive stockpiles that other players have (this is why Procurers often sell for less than their mineral value).

CCP don't "run the market." They just keep it online and let (more or less) pure libertarian economics do what it does best; make as much money as possible, be damned of the consequences to "lesser people."

The issue here is that the client (via the market interface) is essentially lying to the player by showing an order which can't actually be filled.I really think no one cares that the eve client is broken. At least colorize the margin trade orders.

Really? It doesn't lie. After a person from CCP says the client lies then everyone dismisses it as not a lie. Anyone else out there want to fix this or am I the only one.