Jita Park Speakers Corner

I think you're mixing personal income with alliance income, and maybe you don't realize just how much work and isk goes into running an established alliance. And for every GSF out there, there's bound to be at least one OWN alliance, where the wealth doesn't really go to the line members, but personal titans/supercarriers for the alliance/ceo leaders.

Let me ask a question myself:

Do hisec carebears give any sh*t about what nullsec dwellers think about them and whether they have any importance to 0.0 or not?

I, for myself, don't care about 0.0 as long as I'm not there. I sell loot/PI stuff on the market. If it is used up in 0.0 rather than hisec doesn't matter to me since I have sold it and got my ISK.

I did not see what you did there as I have no ******* idea what you talking about. Not sure if you have.

If you really don't need Hi-Sec, then why do you have alts in Empire space?

If you don't need or care about Hi-Sec, then why are you posting?

If you really don't think that the production and markets of Hi-Sec don't affect null space, then why not buy and sell EVERYTHING in null space?


Because you can't. Null sec needs Hi-Sec for things like skill books, a large market to buy all those goods, mass production on a scale that is hard if not impossible to accomplish in null sec and a myriad of other things much too numerous to list. Now, that being said, Hi-Sec needs null sec for a lot of things that are much more numerous and easily obtained there as well as, much to your dismay, buyers for all that industrial output. There are many real life instances of outreaches of society vs central governed territory in history and they had the same issues as Eve. Each one having extensive connections to the other in order to build a richer, more diverse society and lifestyle than would be achievable alone.

The continued Us against Them mentality of both camps is useless and damaging. Both are needed and both benefit from the existence of the other. In addition, the interactions of both assure that the society and market is not a zero sum game and becomes a lot more than what it could be were it just Empire space or just null sec space. The continued bickering that goes on is both short sighted and childish and only highlights the lack of understanding of the posters.

If you didn't care about Empire space then you would not have posted at all since it would not matter to you.

Every highsec-carebear could log off and un-install EVE tomorrow and we'd barely notice apart from the reduced lag in market systems. The things we go to empire for are seeded by NPCs (skillbooks, BPOs), imported from other 0.0 regions (minerals), or manufactured by highsec alts of 0.0 based players.

There is no 'us against them' because most of 'them' are so irrelevant to any aspect of 0.0 existance that they're barely noticeable.[/quote]
Goons own offensive against Gallante, and to a lesser extent Caldari, ice miners provides sufficient evidence to blow any of your arguments out of the water, otherwise the campaign would have nevr been conducted in the first place.

The offensive against Gallente ice was (mainly) to pad their wallets.

1. Buy at ~500 ISK P.U.
2. run interdiction for a few months
3. let the price spike
4. sell oxytopes at 2500+ ISK P.U.
5. PROFIT

I mean, sure, they said a lot of stuff about ruining it for the "empire pubbies" and whatever else ... but that's just talk. If they really wanted to ruin empire (and/or just hisec), then they'd be burning all four regions.


Is it really that hard to understand?

Supposed the acknowledgement that it was an interdiction against "Gallente" Ice (and the comment about "empire pubbies") was enough to imply I was aware that it was in empire, and not in null.

That fact alone doesn't make it "nullsec vs. empire" (i.e. "us vs. them") as Nevryn was trying to imply. Empire dwellers (i.e. the people who aren't an alt of a nullsec pilot) in the Gallente regions were just collateral damage in the Goons' plans -- which were no more sinister than "destroy the supply of Oxytopes".

Now, if goons or raiden or PL or test or whoever else decided "hey, we don't need empire at all" and started a campaign to burn empire space to the ground ... then maybe there would be some weight added to the argument that it's an "us vs. them" scenario. But, until then, we (empire dwellers) will just have to live with the fact that the nullsec guys don't really care about us -- in similar fashion to how industrialised nations don't really "care" about third world nations.

The whole nullbear ranger/"we're cool because we pvp and you carebears suck" (in a GAME!!!) is just a sign of people wanting to feel better about themselves. Patting themselves on the back for living a life of VIRTUAL danger, where there really is ZERO risk in game regardless of which security level they play at, is just a mental crutch and always will be. Smile and pity them. (For instance when anyone uses the word "pubbie".)

Most ganking in game is done for the same reasons as in RL. Most gankers are lazy and/or enjoy making others unhappy and stealing the fruits of their labors. They play at accepting risk when what they really want is to ambush and gank which by it's very nature attempts to ELIMINATE risk and effort.

Seriously, as frustrating and annoying as they can be, when it comes right down to it, in the end it is utterly and totally meaningless and if being cool in a game gives someone a measure of virtual power and virtual dignity well, let them enjoy what happiness they can find even if it is just in a game.

Is that why you goons spend your time in hi sec harassing and grief playing hi sec players... Because they're just so irrelevant and unimportant to you?