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Hm, if by "directly through Blueprints" you mean having the BP accept different sets of input materials, this might be tricky to implement I think and potentially even more confusing for the user when a BP happens to ship with a lot of build options. A rather simple way would be to use the "exchange" features in existing LP stores, where one trades for example a regular ship + stuff for the respective faction version. So let the corporations that are (or will be) involved with starbases/structures offer a kind of "replacement program" where you can throw in your old structures and get the new ones. The difference in materials or whatever else constitutes the "worth" of items exchanged that way could then be paid in various way, either directly in raw materials, via components or even LP/flat out Isk.

Viable option?

I was thinking create separate BPs sold for 1 ISK (or whatever) on the market. These BPs take in an old structure and the difference in materials between that and the new structure, and output the new structure and any leftover materials. Then when the old structures are phased out and otherwise reimbursed CCP can go through and remove the un-used BPs for converting those structures.

I'm just proposing using BPs because it's an existing system and shouldn't require CCP's ISDs/GMs to spend a ton of time manually converting stuff. There may be a different way to do this, like through the reimbursements system, but I don't know about it.



They've already said there won't be faction differences between these structures. There's just a Drilling Platform, rather than having a Gallente/Amarr/Minmattar/Caldari/various pirate versions of these structures, with the fuel types split up between the structure types.

Also I'm not sure what RnG stands for here so I can't really comment further, sorry bad with acronyms.

idea 1. the existing POS structures can be left as they are. They are pretty outdated anyways. Would be like a T1 version of a newer, more powerful version of structures.

idea 2. use the existing modules as input materials for building the new version.

idea 3. use the existing modules as equipment to fit to the new structures. I.e. the new "large" defense structures will be able to fit 4-5 large hybrid batteries on the "high" slots, 1-2 domination stasis turrets or shield hardening arrays on the "medium" slots and so on. Would solve the problem for at least part of the existing structures, and it will also make a difference for using faction structures.

Idea 1 is just not going to happen. The POS shield has all kinds of abuseable edge cases associated with it and needs to go. (This is why you don't let gamers use physics texts as rule books... points to anyone who gets the reference)

2 is more or less what I'm talking about, but on a temporary basis, since there's no point in having these stick around longer than the actual old structures.

The problem with 3 is that it ties the new system to the old modules, and that's something I'd rather see them avoid. They're talking about re-balancing the guns and other modules as well as adding new. Having to find a use for every old module limits this, and some of the old modules are going to just flat out disappear and turn into structures in their own right.



There's no guarantee there won't be some kind of basic and Faction/T2 structure variant, but I wouldn't bet on it for some of the larger stuff, at least to start. There are faction deployables though so it's possible.

Setting aside the pessimism for a second what do you think would be a reasonable way to reimburse faction structure value?

There could be 2 forms or reimbursement :
- by similar value
- by similar usefulness

Either by reimbursing the money spent on the transaction when that module was bought or an average value of the market price, I think this would be the biggest reimbursement value in the history of eve. Injecting this kind of isk would not do good to eve economy. in the same time, nerfing those modules to almost useless, or reimbursing only a small fraction of their costs would hurt a large portion of eve players, most of which form the backbone of industry and research. That is why i think it makes much more sense to go with a reimbursement which will replace the modules with some of similar use in the new systems. Using them as modules to fit on the new structures would be the best solution in my opinion as it preserves the current professions ( and skills ), production and research lines for those modules, and also the faction ones ( loot/bpcs and existing modules ).

That´s not correct, take a second view at the Pictures in dev blog. You will see that outpost will get large strctures while starbases (pos) do fit even much better which medium size structures. XL Structures are a new category which isn´t build by Players at the Moment.


You´re mixing 2 different dev Blogs. It´s not quiet sure, that entosis links and/or Primetimes will work in other Areas than sov 0.0! It is a possible way, but at the Moment no one from CCP said that i will be like this.

1st of all hats off to you CCP. The ideas you are proposing will change EVE (hopefully) for the better, but why stop hear?
If you are going to make such huge changes push the boat out just that little further .

I have spent the large part of the day reading over a few 100 comments that others have come up with so far and some of them are very good ideas.

But 1st i would like to show my support for something a lot of players are concerned about.

1. Outposts

a) what is going to happen to the vary large investments made my corps and alliances for outpost upgrades installed after the indy update not so long ago. It would be unfair for z outpost owners to simply lose all that time and isk.

b) looking over the DEV blog you said that we where no longer going to be able to build outposts but you have not said what was going to happen with them. If they stay can they be destroyed or simply ownership can change? We also have to think about the players that may not have active accounts at the moment and do / would not know anything about these changes.It would also be unfair should they log back on after a years or so break to find that all there assets and billions / trillions of BPO's have been lost.

c) Just like the skill remapping you can redo after a set amount of time maybe once all this goes live every player should be given the option to move the items they wanted to a hi sec NPC station. this will give everyone the chance all at the same time the chance to get ready for such a huge change.

2. Structure BPO's

a) Current outpost and POS BPO's will be removed from the game. Whats going to happen the TIME & ISK invested in these items? An idea i seen commented before and 1 i had wished had played a part when the ME/TE was changed with the indy release in a similar way is a straight swap. Amarr POS BPO is swapped for XYZ. But then you probably want everyone to start from square 1 witch is fine however a resistible compo should be given for these items that takes into account the time and isk spent on the BPO its self. Fair is fair after all.

3. New stations

a) I like the fact that everything in EVE can be blown up even if as a industrialist i run the risk of losing everything, however such structures costing 10's of billions of isk should be no push over!!!

b) upon station being destroyed i am liking the idea of the cans however as someone has already pointed out we cant all fly what we build and in some cases betting back to our null sec space to retrieve such items may not even be possibly. would look forward to hearing more options regarding this.

c) I rely like the idea of being able to put a structure where ever i like eg. at a mining anom with the station guns to warn of would be hostiles after an easy kill. The rorqual would need looking at thou as no one is going so sit a 2bil ship that cant defend its self on grid.

d) Current POS BPO's require P4 PI to make, are the new stations also going to require this or should i stop my PI production now?

e) These station, like POS's can now must be movable to other locations or systems.

Ideas to look at

a) storage is going to be a huge prob with the new stations no matter how much you give us. so why not look at using some other aspects with in eve that are already there. for eg. planets and moons. How i would see this working is similar to PI but a complete new skill path. you set up a storage facility on planet or moon and have to use launch pad to send or retrieve your items. the better your skills the more storage you could have but to keep these facility running will mean you have to employ npc's on the planet to run things for you in turn costing isk to maintain. You could even go as far as needing living facility's for these npc's or something.

b) personnel and corporate items should remain just that. at no point should either items be put at risk by someones greed and access to such should be granted to selected members.

c) It would be a nice idea if i could set up contracts for my corp/ alliance members or even public to complete construction projects for my self / corp or even rent out my skills the same way. Z person would set up contract at reverent station with all the minerals, components and BPO's / BPC's needed to complete the job and a reward would be given for doing so.

d) Partition hangers or station cans to better organize assets. Its a pain having 30 - 40 cans all with different items in them when i could put all my BPO's in 1 can but separate them in to there own areas with in the same can, much like RL warehouses would.

e) More personal and corporate / alliance wallets.

f) Now im surprised this had not already been done but there you are. I would save my self so much time each week if i could keep track of and move my PI on planet ( not while logged in to game ) on my lunch break via the eve gate or an app for my tablet that i have to sign in and out of each time. Not so much blast things in to space but reset extractors and move PI from warehouse to warehouse and so on.

Ok so i guess i should say sorry for the wall of text but if you have made it this far fair play to you and im sure a lot of you will have something to say about the above and i look forward to hearing about it.

the last thing im going to say hear is as follows;

CCP we pay ur wages DON'T SCREW US OVER!!!!

Because the current structure content has all sorts of problems with it? Lets just think of a few issues with the current POS mechanics...

• Garage Door Cynos
• Activating a Cyno at full warp to place yourself inside a POS shield when you stop
• Bumping ships out of a forcefield, aka "POS bowling"
• Resetting the POS password to almost completely negate bubbles
• POS passwords in general are a poor access mechanic
• Fitting a POS requires more than just the POS in space, sometimes upwards of 30-40 in-space objects, plus the number of bubbles required to camp a POS. All of this generates lag and takes up system resources.
• The combined damage players deal to structures is almost greater than the combined damage players deal to NPCs

This is how we've been told the Entosis mechanics will work, and the Structures dev blog lists which structures fall under which Entosis mechanics, though it's hidden in the icons of those progression tree images. Also current POS timezone mechanics apply to everyone, and structures without Timezone mechanics would very very obviously *suck*. Overall I think this is a reasonable assumption until something appears to contradict it.



I just think there are too many problems for this to work effectively. Too many new structures and too much chance for a player to lose or gain a ton of value, which is bad for the economy. We can't have CSAAs turning into full new L or XL structures, and you don't want your POS to turn into something worth less than a current POS is.

Plus there are, IMO, better options that allow for a more even return on investment.

This has less to do with you doing industry and more to do with that threat being, on the whole, like an Eve Online version of a 4 year old holding threat breath in response to a punishment. It inevitably comes up in every change or balance thread and while I'm sure some people carry it out that seems to be the exception rather than the rule. Overall it's much more productive and effective to state your case clearly and with supporting evidence, especially in cases like this where reimbursing you isn't so much a game balance decision as a quality of life one and CCP has every reason for people to want to come away from this transition happy with the changes.

This is pretty normal. Flurry of devs answering questions and clarifying early on, followed by them going into stealth mode, following the thread, and formulating plans and such behind the scenes. Then, eventually, we'll get a new thread with new info. The only reason Falcon and a few other devs are super active on the forums is because that's their job. If Rise or Fozzie are posting on here that's time they're not covering whiteboards with post-it notes and scribbles that eventually turn into a design post on here.