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So, what do you guys think about watch lists?

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Idame Isqua
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2015-04-10 10:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Idame Isqua
It needs a big overhaul.

Anyone know where drafts go? I wrote more but it seems to have disappeared.
Richard Bong
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#162 - 2015-04-10 14:03:41 UTC
I would prefer it was balanced against something, whether it be isk, time delay, or whatever. RIght now it's just instant free intel that cannot be countered.

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Nelly Uanos
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#163 - 2015-04-10 20:22:21 UTC
The only point I have against removing it is the following...

I'm cloaked at your tower watching you, you log off... without WL I don't know if you logged out or warped away and cloaked.

I was ACTIVELY trying to get intel on you and now I'm in the dark... That's stupid.

If you give me a way to differentiate someone logging out from someone warping away and cloaking then fine, you can remove non-concensual WL.
Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#164 - 2015-04-10 22:12:51 UTC
No, gotta keep it so people can see when I log in....

On the real though, it should NOT be removed. "Oh no free intel gathering" well after W-Space NPC API was removed seeding people and monitering groups to plan a gank became more challenging as you have to observe them for longer periods of time.

Removing watchlists is the final nail in the coffin krabs want to make them safe.

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Krops Vont
#165 - 2015-04-10 22:18:34 UTC
Luft Reich wrote:
No, gotta keep it so people can see when I log in....

On the real though, it should NOT be removed. "Oh no free intel gathering" well after W-Space NPC API was removed seeding people and monitering groups to plan a gank became more challenging as you have to observe them for longer periods of time.

Removing watchlists is the final nail in the coffin krabs want to make them safe.


Remove it. I can finally solo them in my d-scan immune fleet.

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Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#166 - 2015-04-11 16:03:55 UTC
Nelly Uanos wrote:
The only point I have against removing it is the following...

I'm cloaked at your tower watching you, you log off... without WL I don't know if you logged out or warped away and cloaked.

I was ACTIVELY trying to get intel on you and now I'm in the dark... That's stupid.

If you give me a way to differentiate someone logging out from someone warping away and cloaking then fine, you can remove non-concensual WL.



This is a good point. If actual intel gathering was changed for the better, I would be fine with seeing watchlists go. A lot of the people in this thread who are freaking out about never getting a gank ever again seem to be missing the fact that if you remove watchlists, you can add something else that has a similar effect even if it requires slightly more work (being on grid for example.)
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#167 - 2015-04-12 03:02:03 UTC
So, here's the thing about watchlists. If you are, eg, an alt of someone, let's just assume Chance Ravinne (or maybe someone else, I can't really tell) and you see TF jump his panther in from hisec, what do you do?

a) add the doosh to watchlist
b) stay cloaked and silent and stalk him properly
c) convo said Panther pilot and act like a munted child

Well, I guess the toon Friendly Delivery, whoever owns it, didn't add me to watchlist. He chose option C, convoing me to let me know he was lurking in the hole with me. Because that's how you stealth.

So now you can see why Chance hates watchlists. They suck when you convo everyone who jumps into a wormhole in which you lurk. But the WL isn't the problem. Being a twit is your problem.

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#168 - 2015-04-12 03:55:22 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
So, here's the thing about watchlists. If you are, eg, an alt of someone, let's just assume Chance Ravinne (or maybe someone else, I can't really tell) and you see TF jump his panther in from hisec, what do you do?

a) add the doosh to watchlist
b) stay cloaked and silent and stalk him properly
c) convo said Panther pilot and act like a munted child

Well, I guess the toon Friendly Delivery, whoever owns it, didn't add me to watchlist. He chose option C, convoing me to let me know he was lurking in the hole with me. Because that's how you stealth.

So now you can see why Chance hates watchlists. They suck when you convo everyone who jumps into a wormhole in which you lurk. But the WL isn't the problem. Being a twit is your problem.


I get the feeling you don't like this vaunted csm member. I could be wrong tho

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Candi LeMew
Division 13
#169 - 2015-04-12 08:58:40 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
I get the feeling you don't like this vaunted csm member. I could be wrong tho

I was already miffed that I couldn't vote Trinket for CSM.

Ever since all this I'm even more upset I couldn't vote for him.

I find his aggression to be focused and righteous, and while I don't know his stance on wormhole fashion in YC 117, I do believe he ticks all the other boxes for someone I intended voting for.

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Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#170 - 2015-04-12 13:41:14 UTC
too bad his shady past disqualified him from running ;v;

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Credacom
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2015-04-12 13:47:46 UTC
Watch lists don't provide good fights, just ganks and avoiding fights. Esp capital pilot Intel is OP.
Get rid of them and watch the fights abound with escalation and fumbles.
Randomness and risk is what' helps make eve great.
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#172 - 2015-04-12 18:06:10 UTC
Credacom wrote:
Get rid of them and watch the fights abound with escalation and fumbles.


let me tell you what won't happen

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Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#173 - 2015-04-12 18:56:29 UTC
Krops Vont wrote:
Luft Reich wrote:
No, gotta keep it so people can see when I log in....

On the real though, it should NOT be removed. "Oh no free intel gathering" well after W-Space NPC API was removed seeding people and monitering groups to plan a gank became more challenging as you have to observe them for longer periods of time.

Removing watchlists is the final nail in the coffin krabs want to make them safe.


Remove it. I can finally solo them in my d-scan immune fleet.


^^^^^ I totally forgot, yes remove WL.

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Ozz Burtus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#174 - 2015-04-12 22:30:35 UTC
IMO the watchlist is bread and / or butter for WH space PvP, for these reasons amongst others:

On a quiet night it tells you (roughly) where in the 20+ systems in your chain you might find something to shoot. (WL the most active of the corps down the chain and go knocking when the lights come on somewhere).

On a busy night it can give you an idea if your 2 party fight might soon turn into a full on orgy. And where the extra people are likely to come from.

In fleet ops or POS bashing it can be used as Intel on the prey logged in as well as effective disinformation.

As a cloaky scout, it's a really powerful tool. Balanced? Not in WH space, I came though your system 2hrs ago and WL'd your corp; sat in my tower 5 connections back, I can see that you have logged in, chances are it will be into your home system and that you'll be doing your PI real soon.

Remove the WL? Please Bob no, it will make finding content that much harder and WH space is already too quiet.

Ozz
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2015-04-12 23:47:53 UTC
We must also remove Killmails and loss mails.

They get free intel on what i fly and how many people i usually roam with, all that Free intel... everyone should pay isk to see all kill/loss mails.

Corporation information shouldn't be viewable either... you can see how many people are in the corp.. More free intel. IT'S SO UNFAIR GUYS.

Overview should be removed.. free intel on anything on grid.

also, all ships should look the same, so cloaky people can't look at my ship and see what guns i have... free intel after all.

actually the only way to really make everything fair is for us all to play with a black screen. problem solved.

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Pissfat
Tactically Challenged
The Initiative.
#176 - 2015-04-13 02:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pissfat
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
We must also remove Killmails and loss mails.

They get free intel on what i fly and how many people i usually roam with, all that Free intel... everyone should pay isk to see all kill/loss mails.

Corporation information shouldn't be viewable either... you can see how many people are in the corp.. More free intel. IT'S SO UNFAIR GUYS.

Overview should be removed.. free intel on anything on grid.

also, all ships should look the same, so cloaky people can't look at my ship and see what guns i have... free intel after all.

actually the only way to really make everything fair is for us all to play with a black screen. problem solved.


This guy gets it.

I would add though you shouldn't be able to click on a character at all. Look at all that free intel on a person and his history, add to that you shouldn't even have an option to find his toon in this overpowered local chat that exists everywhere.

You should only have on grid intel right?

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Jezza McWaffle
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#177 - 2015-04-13 10:18:35 UTC
Nah on grid Intel is too powerful, you should have to die to them first before you can even see there ship...

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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#178 - 2015-04-13 15:19:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
[quote=Zoe Athame][quote=Nelly Uanos]The only point I have against removing it is the following...

I'm cloaked at your tower watching you, you log off... without WL I don't know if you logged out or warped away and cloaked.

I was ACTIVELY trying to get intel on you and now I'm in the dark... That's stupid.

If you give me a way to differentiate someone logging out from someone warping away and cloaking then fine, you can remove non-concensual WL.

quote]

Differentiation:

If you're cloaked at a tower watching a ship and see it disappear that means they logged off.
If you're cloaked at a tower watching a ship and it moves then zooms off into the distance they warped off.

or did you mean:

If you're cloaked at a tower watching a ship and alt tab to another toon to run pi / play the market / grab a beer.

When you get back the ship has gone, did it warp off or did it log off ... Well that means you were not really watching but its OK just check the free intel on your watchlist.
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#179 - 2015-04-13 15:29:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
Pissfat wrote:
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
We must also remove Killmails and loss mails.

They get free intel on what i fly and how many people i usually roam with, all that Free intel... everyone should pay isk to see all kill/loss mails.

Corporation information shouldn't be viewable either... you can see how many people are in the corp.. More free intel. IT'S SO UNFAIR GUYS.

Overview should be removed.. free intel on anything on grid.

also, all ships should look the same, so cloaky people can't look at my ship and see what guns i have... free intel after all.

actually the only way to really make everything fair is for us all to play with a black screen. problem solved.


This guy gets it.

I would add though you shouldn't be able to click on a character at all. Look at all that free intel on a person and his history, add to that you shouldn't even have an option to find his toon in this overpowered local chat that exists everywhere.

You should only have on grid intel right?


Reductio ad absurdum - As none of the items above are in fact a "watchlist" then this does nothing to further the discussion
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#180 - 2015-04-13 16:38:40 UTC
why does this thread bring all the no name randos out

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