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Tojo Johnson
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-25 15:54:40 UTC
Hello all!

Looking for some advise on upgrading my Dell box. Here is what I have right now. Computer is about 2.5 years old.

Intel i7 920 @ 2.67GHz
6 GB RAM
22" or 24" Dell monitor 1920x1061(I forget)
ATI Radeon HD 4800 series
Overall Windows experience (Windows 7) is 5.9. The data disk transfer rate in a 5.9. everything else is between 7.3 and 7.5.

I know my video card is an issue and it is 2 generations old. I would like to run two clients at the same time with the highest graphics level possible (for mining). Ill just run one client for my main when doing other activities. Right now, I am running one client with all possible graphic setting on or on high. I am getting 40-50 FPS generally. When I just try to load up another client, when the login screen comes up I get like 5 FPS on the main client. I used to run 3 clients at once on this same box at medium/lowish graphic settings. I dont really think I need a new puter, but need to make some upgrades to this one. Besides the graphics card, is there anything else I should look to upgrade? Also, looking for a recommedation for a Radeon card that will support me needs.

Thanks! Big smile
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#2 - 2011-12-25 16:00:15 UTC
Looks decent to me...

I'm currently running...
Intel E7300 @3.2GHz (overclocked)
4 GB RAM
37" HDTV
GeForce 260GT
Windows XP SP3

I can dual client on full tilt without any issues. Usually around 65-70 FPS.

If anything, I'd suggest a Solid State drive, as they out perform any platter type drive on the market...
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-12-25 16:03:32 UTC
just get "new" graph card. And you are set. ATI 6xxxx series
or nVidia "high end" if you like things to work better in games . Without renaming filename or additional tweaking with rivatuner or whatever is that program called.
Tojo Johnson
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-12-26 17:08:32 UTC
How about this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150521

I am also going to upgrade my power unit as it maxs out at 360W
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-12-26 17:16:29 UTC
the 6870 is a great card. make sure you get a good PSU and make sure it has 2, 6pin cables and enough power.. i would get a 500 or 550w just to be safe
Tojo Johnson
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-12-26 17:35:40 UTC
Thanks for the feedback. I have been out of the hardware side of computers for awhile so pardon all my questions. This one is at a good price (530W) but I am un sure how to read it if has the proper 6 pin connections. It says PCI-Express Connector1 x 6-Pin, 1 x 6+2-Pin. Will this work? Description says it can handle high end video cards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152028

Thanks!
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#7 - 2011-12-26 17:36:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
OTHER than graphics card...

I've heard (though have no experience), that running multiple clients off one HDD, can be a problem, perhaps a small second HDD might solve your problem, or at least greatly affect the effiency of the two clients.

My advice is pick up a drive in the bargain bucket slam it in and test before paying out loads on a graphics card, you might find it runs sweet (or at least good enough) on what you have.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-26 17:38:52 UTC
Personally I would go at least 750 on the powersupply. If not to facilitate possible future upgrades but also in case you add on new things like another hard drive or whatever. Also most high end cards require at least that much just to run properly. Either way your PC you have right now should be more than capable of running 2 clients...maybe on lower settings or something. Of course I doubt EvE is the only game you play.

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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#9 - 2011-12-26 17:47:49 UTC
Yeah, get a new gfx board. I am still using my 2 year old puter with a quad core CPU running at lowish 2.8 GHz and 8gb RAM. I switched to a Radeon HD 6990 which a is a bit of overkill but I can run six clients at the same time with high settings.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-27 21:12:34 UTC
Tojo Johnson wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I have been out of the hardware side of computers for awhile so pardon all my questions. This one is at a good price (530W) but I am un sure how to read it if has the proper 6 pin connections. It says PCI-Express Connector1 x 6-Pin, 1 x 6+2-Pin. Will this work? Description says it can handle high end video cards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152028

Thanks!


6+2 pin just means it can be a 6pin, or an 8 pin so it has 2 6pin connectors for the 6870.
if you can though get a corsair PSU, their quality is known throughout the internet and many build enthusiast swear by them... you have to pay a bit more though
Endeavour Starfleet
#11 - 2011-12-27 21:14:48 UTC
Wait for the AMD 7 series video cards to launch in mid range.

You can get one with some awesome features (like 3W of use when the screen is blank) or you can get a cheaper 6x then.
Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-12-27 21:17:43 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
OTHER than graphics card...

I've heard (though have no experience), that running multiple clients off one HDD, can be a problem, perhaps a small second HDD might solve your problem, or at least greatly affect the effiency of the two clients.

My advice is pick up a drive in the bargain bucket slam it in and test before paying out loads on a graphics card, you might find it runs sweet (or at least good enough) on what you have.



I haven't heard this before. Can a Dev or GM confirm this? I have no doubt that separating client operations onto 2 HDDs (or SSDs) can help things, but I'd certainly go with a better Video Card.
Endeavour Starfleet
#13 - 2011-12-27 21:24:00 UTC
I run 2 accounts from the same EVE folder. No issues. And they have done alot of work to keep problems from showing up (Old old dev blogs)

So no. That is not true.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#14 - 2011-12-27 21:38:52 UTC
Duvida wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
OTHER than graphics card...

I've heard (though have no experience), that running multiple clients off one HDD, can be a problem, perhaps a small second HDD might solve your problem, or at least greatly affect the effiency of the two clients.

My advice is pick up a drive in the bargain bucket slam it in and test before paying out loads on a graphics card, you might find it runs sweet (or at least good enough) on what you have.



I haven't heard this before. Can a Dev or GM confirm this? I have no doubt that separating client operations onto 2 HDDs (or SSDs) can help things, but I'd certainly go with a better Video Card.



Anecdotal evidence only I'm afraid. But IMO theoretically it sounds sound as each drive can use it's full bandwidth for it's own client.

But I wouldn't agrue that it's not possible to run from one client , someone in the npc corp mentioned once they had solved there graphics lag problem multi-clienting by copying it to the E: drive, I just noted it for future reference.

Perhaps someone might be good enough to test how far they can ramp there graphics across two clients in both sitauations, I can't as my E: died some time ago Cry

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#15 - 2011-12-27 22:09:59 UTC
yup, new gfx and you're good to go
that i7 will last for years to come
Adeena Torcfist
R3b3llium
Get Off My Lawn
#16 - 2011-12-27 23:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Adeena Torcfist
ive currently an o/c i7 2600K & GTX 580 & works a treat. Highest graffix, 3 clients all at 60fps Fullscreen.

considerring yours 2½ years old, its not looking too bad.

so SSD's, graffix card, memory are all things you can tweak.

dont forget, make sure ur PSU is up to scratch. so many ppl forget this, & its an important bit of kit.

No power, no pew pew Cry
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-12-28 00:00:46 UTC
SSD is a major improvement. Expensive, small, but very efficient. Every operation will improve. It is possible to use SD card with SD SATA disk emulation. (Limited on size)

New video card (ATI is better) will help.

Sound Card PCIex or PCI will boost every game performance. By simply reducing load on on board chip that shares main processor and memory. Get sound cards. They don't have dedicated processor and memory for nothing.

It is like running video off integrated video chip, like on weakest laptops - even windows will draw slow. With no sound card, your experience will be poor.

Disregard all built in, HD audio on board, HD audio on video card - this is all for 2D movies. Not going to work with video games.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#18 - 2011-12-28 00:57:02 UTC
Morganta wrote:
yup, new gfx and you're good to go
that i7 will last for years to come


Seconded. I have an i7 950, just a shade above what you have. Please don't fall into the tiny increment upgrade plan that Apple users are stuck in. Buy more up to date video cards, a decent power supply, and possibly more ram. A 2.5 GHz CPU is hard to max out - certainly it won't be done by an EVE client (excepting Incarna 1.0 for some reason).
Taiwanistan
#19 - 2011-12-28 01:48:32 UTC
can you wait or is your gameplay so unbearable, cus you might want to wait until the next generation, ati 7xxx or nvidia 6xx
get the new gen stuff when it comes out or pick up the 1 gen older stuff dirt cheap,

6870 is great (u might want to consider 2gb variants if cost difference is low like $30)
6950 is abit better than 6870 and still cheap,

or nvidia 560ti or 570

but do not skimp on the PSU, you dno't want huge watts and low price, it will asplode,
you want a decent 500 or 600 watter, with good warranty and single rail whatever they call it

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#20 - 2011-12-28 02:46:11 UTC
Pentium D dual core, 2.8
1.5 GB Ram
Radeon 2600 with 512 DDR2

Runs 3 clients and a forum with stations off and reduced graphics.

What is the i7 starting at now? I want a new one to play Tera but I was actually expecting to settle with an i5
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