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Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-04-08 00:08:53 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
announced on local i want to sell the legion as wanted buy something else, then guy did short convo, then trade popup came in , placed ship he placed isk. . in fact he placed 400k . didnt look properly . my fault . lol


Glad to know you know whos fault it is.

The only way to stop scammers is to stop being an idiot. Next time use a contract.
Chelsea Dagger X
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-04-10 18:19:33 UTC
And what a terrible fit it was, I was glad when I got it out of my hangar.
manutari
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-04-11 00:32:36 UTC
Anak,

Sorry to hear about your loss but I think (as you mentioned) you learned your lesson about trade windows. Blink can't really blame him though.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#24 - 2015-04-11 01:32:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
Seems like a pretty straight forward case. The Court of Crime and Punishment will now hear your case with any and all evidence either party can manufacture has at hand. We will open the case to public discussion after both parties have had a chance to deliver their speeches or have hired appropriate counsel. If either party takes too long to respond they may be deemed guilty at the jury and courts discretion. We will hear opening statements now.

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#25 - 2015-04-11 02:06:54 UTC
pushdogg wrote:
learned to count zeros when i had to use avogadro constant....im assuming you havent had the pleasure.

i suggest finding a similar exercise. because things.....stuff....scams.



You wrote out 23 zeros in Avogadro's constant? Ever heard of scientific notation?
Chelsea Dagger X
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-04-11 08:36:53 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Seems like a pretty straight forward case. The Court of Crime and Punishment will now hear your case with any and all evidence either party can manufacture has at hand. We will open the case to public discussion after both parties have had a chance to deliver their speeches or have hired appropriate counsel. If either party takes too long to respond they may be deemed guilty at the jury and courts discretion. We will hear opening statements now.


You have my thanks for contacting me via Eve Mail in such a prompt manner, Your Honour. However, in the interest of transparency, I wish to make my statement public so the citizens of C&P can pass judgement accurately.


The OP's claims are largely correct, but he has written them in such a way as to make me look like a criminal, which is simply untrue. This will be responded to in a counter claim which we can deal with seperately. Deformation of character is a serious crime.

The OP was indeed advertising in local the sale of his fitted Legion which he has misvalued at 400 million ISK, its actual value was 500 million ISK. I opened a trade window with The OP, and posted 400 million ISK in exchange for the Legion. I had a sudden change of heart and thus decided to review my offer. I settled on 400 thousand ISK. The reasons for this are as follows:

1) The OP was not attempting to sell via the contract system, which led me to believe he required a fast sale. It is common practice in the trading world to offer a desperate seller less ISK than what the item is worth. The buyer saves money, and the seller gets a quick sale.

2) The Legion was outfitted with non-T2 weaponry. I made the assumption that if previous owners had disgraced such a beautiful ship with such trash that there would be other issues with the ship. Cigarette burns in the seats, poor previous maintenance, or some other possible niggles that will cost ISK to put right.

I pressed accept, and so did The OP. This led me to believe that the trade was successful, and that both parties were happy. The OP then began to be abusive in local towards me. The abuse was mellow enough to not warrant getting a GM involved, but slanderous comments in the public eye can affect the running of my business, therefore damages will be pursued.

If the charge against me is theft by deception, I plead NOT GUILTY.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#27 - 2015-04-11 09:35:47 UTC
Chelsea Dagger X wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Seems like a pretty straight forward case. The Court of Crime and Punishment will now hear your case with any and all evidence either party can manufacture has at hand. We will open the case to public discussion after both parties have had a chance to deliver their speeches or have hired appropriate counsel. If either party takes too long to respond they may be deemed guilty at the jury and courts discretion. We will hear opening statements now.


You have my thanks for contacting me via Eve Mail in such a prompt manner, Your Honour. However, in the interest of transparency, I wish to make my statement public so the citizens of C&P can pass judgement accurately.


The OP's claims are largely correct, but he has written them in such a way as to make me look like a criminal, which is simply untrue. This will be responded to in a counter claim which we can deal with seperately. Deformation of character is a serious crime.

The OP was indeed advertising in local the sale of his fitted Legion which he has misvalued at 400 million ISK, its actual value was 500 million ISK. I opened a trade window with The OP, and posted 400 million ISK in exchange for the Legion. I had a sudden change of heart and thus decided to review my offer. I settled on 400 thousand ISK. The reasons for this are as follows:

1) The OP was not attempting to sell via the contract system, which led me to believe he required a fast sale. It is common practice in the trading world to offer a desperate seller less ISK than what the item is worth. The buyer saves money, and the seller gets a quick sale.

2) The Legion was outfitted with non-T2 weaponry. I made the assumption that if previous owners had disgraced such a beautiful ship with such trash that there would be other issues with the ship. Cigarette burns in the seats, poor previous maintenance, or some other possible niggles that will cost ISK to put right.

I pressed accept, and so did The OP. This led me to believe that the trade was successful, and that both parties were happy. The OP then began to be abusive in local towards me. The abuse was mellow enough to not warrant getting a GM involved, but slanderous comments in the public eye can affect the running of my business, therefore damages will be pursued.

If the charge against me is theft by deception, I plead NOT GUILTY.

First off we here at the Court of Crime and Punishment (we really need to shorten that with an acronym or something) would like to thank you for taking the time out of your presumably busy schedule to appear here and defend yourself against these accusations. We will gladly accept any counter claim you wish to make right here and a jury of your peers will decide who is the real guilty party/parties are or aren't and the court will rule accordingly. We wish to caution both parties that making false claims is a serious crime and second only to whining or threatening to quit the game to elicit sympathy.

That being said if you feel you have ground to make a counter claim we welcome it and all evidence either party can provide. The OP made it quite clear that he believes you are 'a scammer' and you 'scammed him' of his asset for 400k ISK. The asset and ISK don't seem to be in dispute so I invite both parties to prove their cases. Or at the very least to disprove their opponents case. We have your testimony of what happened and await the OP to provide any further evidence that you deliberately were dishonest and/or outright deceived him into making this transaction.

Should you pursue a counter claim of defamation for anything outside of this forum post we advise that you provide proof of your claims too. The Court and jury will reconvene at 0800 tomorrow (space traffic allowing) to rule on this and review any further evidence.

If either party wishes to concede and apologize before this time or a private settlement can be mutually agreed upon simply inform us before this deadline and the case shall be dropped with no further damages awarded (after court fees).

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Chelsea Dagger X
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-04-11 09:43:23 UTC
Thank you for your clear and concise reply, Your Honour.

I will wait for The OP to respond before any further action is taken on my part.
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#29 - 2015-04-11 10:51:39 UTC
well he just changed from 400m to 400k before acceptation. didnt notice it and hit accept and legion went for 400k. if ccp would give us option to disable trade like disabling duel invites. this wouldnt happen. anyway this legion which was sold for 400k was stolen from some unaware mining pilot who was holding his ship close to his retriever while legion was adrift without pilot. ship had scabies and herpes and needed decontamination procedures . the fit it had wasnt mine. just was selling what i got. atleast it was saved from bob's hammer. . i am doing SAR operations from wormholes and saving abandoned ships. dagger X just did not realised that this legion had scabies and herpes so he has been infected.
Chelsea Dagger X
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-04-11 12:03:16 UTC
Your Honour, The OP knowingly sold faulty goods, and claimed the buyer to be the scammer.

Surely this is open and shut?
manutari
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-04-11 14:19:55 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
well he just changed from 400m to 400k before acceptation. didnt notice it and hit accept and legion went for 400k. if ccp would give us option to disable trade like disabling duel invites. this wouldnt happen. anyway this legion which was sold for 400k was stolen from some unaware mining pilot who was holding his ship close to his retriever while legion was adrift without pilot. ship had scabies and herpes and needed decontamination procedures . the fit it had wasnt mine. just was selling what i got. atleast it was saved from bob's hammer. . i am doing SAR operations from wormholes and saving abandoned ships. dagger X just did not realised that this legion had scabies and herpes so he has been infected.



you committed grand theft and then knowingly sold a stolen vessel? And dare accuse an innocent pilot of scamming? I motion the court to consider this new evidence be admitted here now
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-04-11 16:01:06 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
So you used the trade window? Don't do that. Contracts are a thing for a reason.


Dat thing is evil I tell you.

Altho, I did conduct a business deal involving a client who wanted to buy my BPCs for a stash of items that he had. As you know, blueprint copies can't be requested via WTB contracts, so we used the Trade window. Smile

Both of us commented afterwards that it was nerve wracking. Shocked

...

I'VE NEVER FELT SO ALIVE, TRADING WITH THE -=TRADE WINDOW=-. The thrill, the pressure and THE SUSPENSE of that Green Tick hanging over your livelihood... Items IN - IN - Heart PUMPING... Click ACCEPT.

Pray, DON'T look yet...

DON'T EVER LOOK IN YOUR HANGAR/WALLET AFTER A TRADE WINDOW DEAL.


Man, you like to live dangerously.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-04-11 16:07:53 UTC
Bagatur I wrote:
I never traded like that, so can someone enlighten me on how it can happen?

I put up an item for sale, he places his ISK. I see that amount is OK and press OK/Done/whatever, at which point he reduces the amount and completes the deal? if that is the case, then it is an inherently flawed system.

Or is it that the guy reduces the amount before I hit OK, and I, being lazy/greedy/not paying attention, press OK and thus get shafted? Well then it is completely my fault and I dont understand why I see so many complaints about it.


When he changes the isk amount it resets your acceptance. However if you don't notice, you'll think "oh I thought I hit accept already" and hit it again, completing the deal, also, what he'll do is as soon as the window opens, put in the amount you were actually expecting, hit accept, which you'll see, then quickly change it and hit accept again, hoping that he can do so before you notice the change, if he's lucky you think the amount is still the same, hit accept, then he hits accept and the deal is done.

Basically if you do NEED to do a trade window trade, count to some arbitrary number more than 10 before hitting accept, and always double check the amounts. If you see him changing the amounts, just close window, he's trying to scam you.


OP, as was mentioned earlier, the best way to learn how to avoid being scammed is to watch for scams and see how they do them. Learn the arts of the scammer, maybe try scamming yourself (on an alt if you care about reputation). If you know how it's done, it's easy to avoid.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#34 - 2015-04-11 21:15:17 UTC
manutari wrote:
Amak Boma wrote:
well he just changed from 400m to 400k before acceptation. didnt notice it and hit accept and legion went for 400k. if ccp would give us option to disable trade like disabling duel invites. this wouldnt happen. anyway this legion which was sold for 400k was stolen from some unaware mining pilot who was holding his ship close to his retriever while legion was adrift without pilot. ship had scabies and herpes and needed decontamination procedures . the fit it had wasnt mine. just was selling what i got. atleast it was saved from bob's hammer. . i am doing SAR operations from wormholes and saving abandoned ships. dagger X just did not realised that this legion had scabies and herpes so he has been infected.



you committed grand theft and then knowingly sold a stolen vessel? And dare accuse an innocent pilot of scamming? I motion the court to consider this new evidence be admitted here now

All new evidence is accepted until the jury is called upon to decide the matter. Speaking of which I feel all evidence and arguments have been presented at this time. I call for the Jury of the Court of Crime and Punishment to decide this matter

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#35 - 2015-04-11 22:09:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
Jury has reviewed all the available evidence, and has found

◘ Amak Boma ◘

GUILTY of

interaction with unregistered miners;
failure to report a missing vessel;
unsafe ejection from a spaceship;
theft of property;
failure to report a stolen ship;
embezzlement;
contraband;
scan probe space littering;
being in an asteroid belt without a mining permit;
unsanctioned operation of Sleeper technology;
unpaid use of the galaxy starmap;
speeding in the Niarja system;
relocation with an unknown viral contamination agent onboard;
operation of a spaceship vessel without current insurance;
kinetic damage to two haulers and a frigate on docking in the Amarr (Oris) station;
unpaid T3 possession taxes;
exploration of restricted space;
unlicenced use of T1 equipment on a T3 cruiser;
ejection of space debris in Empire space;
unpaid importation duty;
operating a SAR without due licence;
salvaging;
scavenging;
perjury in court;
unpaid parking ticket stamped "Sarum Prime III - Moon 3, 15:32 EVT";

and 257 other counts of Wrong-doing.

The Jury humbly retires the Courtroom for the Judge to Pronounce the sentence.

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Chelsea Dagger X
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-04-11 22:43:49 UTC
Thats that then.

Everyone back to mine for coke and hookers.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#37 - 2015-04-12 00:12:22 UTC
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Jury has reviewed all the available evidence, and has found

◘ Amak Boma ◘

GUILTY of

interaction with unregistered miners;
failure to report a missing vessel;
unsafe ejection from a spaceship;
theft of property;
failure to report a stolen ship;
embezzlement;
contraband;
scan probe space littering;
being in an asteroid belt without a mining permit;
unsanctioned operation of Sleeper technology;
unpaid use of the galaxy starmap;
speeding in the Niarja system;
relocation with an unknown viral contamination agent onboard;
operation of a spaceship vessel without current insurance;
kinetic damage to two haulers and a frigate on docking in the Amarr (Oris) station;
unpaid T3 possession taxes;
exploration of restricted space;
unlicenced use of T1 equipment on a T3 cruiser;
ejection of space debris in Empire space;
unpaid importation duty;
operating a SAR without due licence;
salvaging;
scavenging;
perjury in court;
unpaid parking ticket stamped "Sarum Prime III - Moon 3, 15:32 EVT";

and 257 other counts of Wrong-doing.

The Jury humbly retires the Courtroom for the Judge to Pronounce the sentence.

282 crimes... This court has never before seen such a blatant abuse of our laws...





My apologies for the delay but I needed a moment to collect myself. The jury has convicted you of these staggering crimes against unknown parties, against dagger X, against this very Cout and against all of eve. In fact the only thing you weren't convicted of is Defamation and you should thank yourself lucky that the true victim of this post did not press charges. If I were able to I would award said victim accordingly but she seems to have found more forgivness in her heart then we here at the Court of Crime and Punishment ever could have.

You are ordered to make restitution to the value of 550mil isk to dagger X who I believe by your own admission was the original owner of the ship you sold under false pretenses.

You are ordered to pay CODE. 250mil isk for mining without a permit. I reccomend you see to fixing this as soon as possible before CODE. agents are forced to take action

This court is also fining you 15bil isk for crimes and breaches of our laws and your are furthermore ordered to pay all court fees to the tune of 450 mil ISK.

Thank you, Jury, for your service today. Court is adjourned.

Payments to all parties can be made to appropriate corporations or to the court directly who will forward it on to the appropriate parties

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#38 - 2015-04-12 10:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
♠ ♠ ♠

Good morning, sir, Your Honour,
The evidence before the Court was
In-con-tro-vertible; there was even no need for
The Jury to retire.

The Witness had plainly shown
The capsuleer, who stood before You,
Being caught red-handed causing torment;
Pain of an almost SP loss nature!

In all my years of serving,
I have never seen before, of
Someone more deserving
The full Penalty of Law!

The way he made her suffer-
The exquisite Lady Barter,
Fills me with an urge to explicate!
Since, Amak Boma, you have revealed your deepest sins,
I welcome the Court's sentence that had been Pronounced before your Peers.

♠ ♠ ♠

// [PvP Damage Done by Class (Scylla)] //

[Cruisers Online]
IcyMind Arierep
The Soul Society
Fraternity.
#39 - 2015-04-13 17:49:39 UTC
I do hate scammers sometimes i even warn people when i see one.

But in RL when you buy a house you look if cost 150000000 or 15000000000 .
Everyone done a mistake specially making a fast trade, but it happend you have to be carefull.

Sorry for the loss.
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#40 - 2015-04-15 03:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: pushdogg
Trevor Dalech wrote:
pushdogg wrote:
learned to count zeros when i had to use avogadro constant....im assuming you havent had the pleasure.

i suggest finding a similar exercise. because things.....stuff....scams.



You wrote out 23 zeros in Avogadro's constant? Ever heard of scientific notation?


i would count them...not write them.

it would be tough referencing avogadro and convincing someone i had no idea what scientific notation was.

edit: good try though.
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