Intergalactic Summit

To be fair the answer to the question "Did the Caldari liberate Caldari Prime or occupy it?" is a lot more complicated than either Diana Kim or Liam would give it credit.

A more accurate answer would be that the Caldari liberated Caldari Prime while occupying the Luminaire system. People have jokingly suggested that the only fully acceptable resolution to the current situation with Caldari Prime would be to cause it to be bodily removed from the Luminaire system and replaced with an alternate planet of equal value! Since we cannot seem to build a Jumpgate large enough to move a planet, nor engines efficient enough to propel one to said Jumpgate, it seems we're doomed to a compromise solution.

The question "Did the Caldari occupy or liberate Caldari Prime?" is a dangerous question, since it resolves itself to an answer that must be unacceptable to either one or the other of the two involved parties. It would be better if such questions were never asked - since their answers lead only to further rounds of conflict with no end in sight.

Here are a list of what I consider to be better questions:

1. Are there any circumstances under which the Caldari people would be willing to share Caldari Prime with Gallentean people?
2. Are there any circumstances under which the Gallentean people are unwilling to surrender property they own on Caldari Prime to State control?
3. Is there any way for the Federal government to return control of Caldari Prime to the State without ceding any right to the control of the Luminaire system to the State?
4. How do we guarantee that the rights of Gallentean citizens who own property on Caldari Prime are respected when that property is transferred from Federal control to State control?
5. How do we handle a situation where a Gallentean citizen does not wish to surrender ownership of property they own on Caldari Prime when control of that property is transferred from the Federation to the State where that Gallentean citizen is unwilling to live under State jurisdiction?

It would be a fruitful discussion.

At first it tells me off for trying to divide by zero and then it just says "..to Hell".
I think I shouldn't have bought an Achuran navsat system.

Xad, this topic is now about the lack of reliability of Achuran nav tech.

Me, personally, I avoid any nav system that talks. Plot the course for me then shut up. If I want spoken directions I'll get Soter on comms for his sultry dulcet tones.

Monsieur Tuulinen,

I would afford it all the credit I am able if it were the question I posed, but it was not. My dismissal of the question was not out of spite or disregard but because it was not the question to be answered and because I would not bother discussing that question with certain individuals because it would be pointless.



Which is precisely why I did not ask the question to begin with, though I am somewhat dismayed if it came across as me dismissing the topic outright. That was not my intention.




1. I am unsure, though I would be open to discussing this with any Caldari willing to do so as I'm quite sure there are many Gallente who now call that planet home and many Caldari who will always consider it home.

2. This is a bit of a sticky situation, to be honest. Under the Federal government, such people would be at liberty to make their own individual decision as to whether or not they would surrender their property to the State. The Federation cannot force a citizen to do so or not to do so as it would violate their individual liberties and rights. However, I suspect incentives could be provided by the Federation to allow relocation and resettlement should they be open to the idea.

3. This would require a great deal of trust and cooperation from both parties and a show of good faith from the Federation first. Is it possible? Definitely. Provisions could be made for transportation to and from without ceding any level of control or ownership in Luminaire but I suspect this would only cause further problems as it would effectively isolate Caldari Prime from its people and would be in a state of extreme vulnerability should open hostilities break out...and it pains me to admit that our history would suggest that such a vulnerability might be considered for exploit if the wrong people were in power in the Federation at the time.

4. Given the fundamental differences between the core values of our people and our governments, this would require a great deal of discussion and cooperation to work out. It could happen but, like above, would likely lead to more problems.

5. Herein lies the crux of the matter. The Federation cannot and will not force any of its citizens to relocate and cannot surrender their property without their acquiescence. Such is the nature of a government run by its people.

The answers to three, four and five explain why the planet has been divided for so long and ultimately why tensions continue to remain high.

My sincerest of apologies but even a bad thread can be salvaged if it can lead to productive conversation.

I would not wish it to be said that I were unwilling to earnestly and productively discuss the precarious situation in which our peoples find themselves.

Until Kim decided to post again, the discussion in this thread was quite promising.

I for one want to see more.

Yeah, good times.... good times.

Oh my god, do you even hear yourself?




and yet...



It's amazing how contradictory you can be, Kim. You attempt to write elegant diatribes about what is right for the Caldari and how you are a good citizen and solider, and then you sabotage yourself by revealing that you're really just a hate-mongering racist with no aptitude whatsoever for negotiation or diplomacy.

You want the Caldari to share Luminaire with the Gallenteans? Good luck trying to do that under such threats.

There are clearly levels to your particular brand of insanity that I can not even fathom.

Once again...



More lovely contradiction from someone claiming to want a "shared" solar system.

It seems I am far more capable at this reading thing than you suspect.

Don't try to be clever, Diana. It doesn't suit you.

Unlike you, gallentean, I am DOING instead of trying.
And if you don't like my conception about shared solar system, I have an alternative. I would like this alternative better, since you owned system for about 200 years, now we can own it whole as Caldari for the next 200 years. And only after that amount of time when length of our ownership will match yours, it will become shared. That will be way more justly.