CSM Campaigns

except PLEX IS a flat rate, everyone ingame buys it for the selling price, adn anyone can buy it at that price at any given time, no one gets a magical 10% off for standings

and PLEX bought with real cash is the same price for everyone, because no one gets an arbitrary discount that no one else gets access to simply because they played one part of the game a whole lot.

so yeah, PLEX is a flat price out of game, and a fluctuating price ingame, but its a price that is equal to everyone, no one has any 0's added or subtracted from the number.


were saying your proposal would CREATE an imbalance, because, again using the PLEX example, someone with security standings between 0-5 gets 5% off PLEX purchases, and people with security standing 5-10 get 10% off, people with low security status would be put at a real world disadvantage against people who have a higher security standing, because a commodity would be given magical discounts to people who played a certain aspect of the game and not others. so for every PLEX a pirate could buy to fund his pvp, a mission runner could buy 1.1 PLEX, which means the mission runner is the one determining the standard for plex sales, adn the pirate gets no say, because he is at an inherent market disadvantage that can only be circumvented by spending more real life cash than his opponent for the same number of commodoties.

basically your proposal creates a situation of "pay to win" or to more specific "pay less to win", and penalizes group's out of game purchasing abilities based on their ingame playstyle


now if you simply want to argue discounts on LP/ISK items only, discounts NOT applying to cash based purchases, then we have a workable idea. and if that is the case please make it understood clearly in the OP to avoid further confusion.




********** But please, I ask of you, your CSM thread is not the place to break down and discuss individual ideas, if you would kindly take your proposals, make individual F&I threads for them, or contribute to existing threads when necesary, then link your post in your OP statement to show your support for individual ideas that we can then view for discussion within the appropriate forum, that would be nice. It will allow your CSM thread to remain clean and orderly, and entirely focused on the actual act of attempting election, rather than specific details of each proposal.

You just made my argument for me. Thanks.

Your not very good at this.

You need to pick an argument and stick with it.

Sigh, no point dealing with a troll I guess, you seem to have no interest in having a rational conversation so I'm withdrawing from the conversation entirely.

OP, let's put this simply.

I have skinned my dread and my carrier. They are good ships, between them they've survived almost every major battle the CFC has been involved in in the past three years or more. 6VDT, HED, BR-5, pretty much everythign except Asakai.

Why, exactly, should my carrier skin cost me £13.70, but the exact same skin, bought from the exact same store, not cost a highsec carebear a single penny?

What do you think would happen to the market if it were possible for anyone, at all, to get hold of skins for free by grinding enough missions? (I'll give you a hint: Look at the price of a reaper in Jita, that's about where the skins would be.)

Perhaps you missed the part where I have invested my time and effort in actually using said ships, frequently, and in a manner that actually allows for player interaction?


Why do you feel that grinding missions is more important than this, especially given that your idea would simply collapse the SKIN market entirely (thus losing CCP whatever revenue it brings in)?

And is it not counter productive to leave the SKIN market in tatters? If anyone can obtain an infinate number of them for free, they will do. The things will end up at reaper prices with ease. (For reference: A reaper in Jita is under 78k isk).

Why is that good for the game?

And does the very fact that you CAN sell the things for ISK not open up enough different paths to obtaining them?

So you sell them BEFORE you activate them.

I have a couple of dozen of the things sitting in Jita, I know how a SKIN works. Under your system, you'd simply redeem thousands of them, for free, and dump them onto the market rather than activating them.

I like Xen...

but to the average player, the CSM is an entire waste / 100% totally useless. If you run on a platform to have 1 final CSM and then disband CSM forever I would vote for you.

If your argument is that my proposed changes are discrimination against personal preference than the same argument can just as easily be made about jump clone access in stations or the cost to reprocess in stations. A player with higher standing yields a profound benefit over one with no or low standing. The problem with your argument is that it's based on a poor understanding of how EvE works in the context of accessibility.

Every choice you make in eve has a consequence and those consequences never go away even though they might change form or be differed in some way. Players who have perfect 10.0 standing with Sansha Nation can already make a jump clone at ANY Sansha Nation station, they can also have 0% tax on reprocessing at ANY Sansha Nation Station. There is no harm in also allowing these same people who have made a ~choice~ to have all sansha skins permanently for free without the possibility of them profiting from it on the market.

I seriously feel that you should do some more research on the subject of time investment mechanics in EvE before attempting to debate this matter further.