EVE New Citizens Q&A

Given your stated conditions:

1. mine up enough for barge
2. start mining in barge
3. set aside portion of profits and start buying up some module BPO's or larger BPC's that you can make a profit on.


I.e. I'd use your current desire to mine to make isk. so thats priority 1 and the barge.
only then, start your new business venture of industry and R&D.

Just remember that the mining should FUND your industry. You will very quickly outstrip your personal ability to mine all the mats needed for building stuff, so expecting that and planning your seed fund around buying mats and producing stuff for profit will scale much easier for you.

Also with regards to you name, several months ago CCP released the names of any characters that were made on trial accounts but never became full accounts and were more than a year old. They did this to free up names that they thought were never going to be used again. So if your old name has not been taken you can get it back. I would guess that if you old name is taken that you could maybe pick a new one but I'm not certain on that, I am just guessing. File a petition if you want a different name to find out your options.

With regards to the market this is a player driven economy. It has almost no NPC buy orders and very few things sold are not made and sold by players. Pretty much only some skill books and BPOs. Because of that it operates very much like a real market so no one can tell anyone what to sell or how to sell it. There are various methods to do figure out what to trade in, when where and how. Many of them involved spreadsheets.

As far as jump clones go they can be very hand for a lot of things. If you can use them or not as you intend is really for you to decide but I can explain how they work. Essentially you "jump" from a clone at one station to a clone at another station. Your implants stay with the clone and initially you can only clone jump once every 24 hours. You can reduce that with a skill by one hour per level with a max of 5 hours so you can get it down to 19 hours but you can not jump back and forth in less time than that.

Some of the basic ways to make isk trading:

-station trade meaning buy low and sell high. sound simple but this is low margin high volume trading that does not require you to move goods around. This is typically done at a hub station.

-hub trading moving goods from one trade hub to another, buying where they are cheap and selling where they are more expensive. you do not need to move the goods yourself you can pay someone else to do it.

-mission hub supply. this is buying goods at a trade hub where they are cheaper and moving them to a mission hub where you can sell them for a decent margin but with much lower volume or frequency.


I'm not a market expert and there are better teachers out there if you look around and read up but that is the very basics. I can tell you from experience that any market you jump into you will effect. If for example you looked up rifter in jita and decided that they were decent isk and worth building and started to build and sell them you would watch as your increased supply drove down margins for example.

+1 for the Prospect and Ninja Huffing in general. Just note that the Prospect isn't better than a Venture at gas mining, it's just different. I prefer it because of the small sig radius, faster align, cloak, versatility, and larger cargo space. The Venture is harder to tackle, cheaper, fills up quicker, and requires less skill points to be most effective in.

Warning, though. The Prospect becomes a gateway drug into the exploration lifestyle. Use of it might make the whole industry thing look.....lackluster

no

Not in the classic sense of the word at least.

Hauling billions of cargo through hostile space can get your heart racing a little though.

As for manufacturing, that's already cornered by people who have WAY more skill points, infrastructure and contacts than you. You'll never make a profit on it


unless..........................


You're smart about what and where you manufacture, don't stay in high sec and expect Jita to offer profits for a 0 sp nobody, it wont happen.

Find out where people need stuff in large quantities in hostile space, rake in the thousands of % of profit margin because people out there have more money than patience.

All in all, don't be a scrub and mine in high sec. You will hate the game within a month and leave with some typical post about how eve is boring and some other irrelevant stuff.

If you're cool with chilling out and mining by yourself, I'd grab enough ranks in the manufacturing/research remote access skills that you can tool around shooting asteroids while you're doing all your manufacturing and trading stuff remotely from several systems out.

Then I'd start looking into setting up a player-owned structure. Reading up on all the aspects of that to the point of being ready to move on it should take long enough to get the skills trained. Anchoring in corp management is the big one.

Fill any "don't know what to do" gaps in your training queue with scanning and science skills. You'll eventually need a bunch of science stuff at 4 when you start doing T2 research, and it's best to have it in advance so you're not already moving on something and discovering you're not trained.

As far as ship skills, pick a race and train frigates V and grab cov ops, keep upgrading your mining crap just so you have something to do in space while you're doing your spreadsheets thing.

Generally, I'd err on the side of having a lot of skills at low levels over pushing anything really high until you don't see any other skill you have a use for. You're not doing anything really dangerous in actual ship terms, which is why most people build up support skills and push things to V early.

EDIT: As for location, when you're starting the things to keep in mind are where the research and manufacturing stations are, where the new-player areas that aren't near the market hubs are, and where the logical progression of mission agents are (e.g. the L4 security agents). Selling fast-replace things like ammunition and drones to mission runners is how most newer manufacturers start.

Hmmm.. Well a lot of interesting replies here as usual and most of them don't make a lot of sense for a new player.

If you want to be an industrialist you first need to learn: how to buy and sell items intelligently, what market hubs are, how to determine buy and sell prices across different regions, how to jump to zero or jump to warp, what areas of space are "safe", and how to use the crappy navigation map.

These are the basics. I make a good Isk income doing these things. You do not need to manufacture anything to make Isk. Nor should you dabble in manufacturing until you have mastered the above.

Having decided you know enough to manufacture anything - the first step is determining what would be profitable to manufacture, where the raw materials will come from, and where and how you will sell it. You also have to research all the skills you need and then buy the blue print to make the item.

Nothing is simple in this game. You can never ..... just go do something.... because you don't have the skills or the smarts to do it.

Best of Luck

The navigation map works fine if you know how to use it.

You don't need to know what you are looking to sell is going for in every other region of the game only what it is going for locally. If you want to get into trade routes you'd have to know some of that but not to manufacture and sell stuff locally.

To say that someone needs to master other aspects of the game before "dabbling" in manufacturing is just flat out incorrect. Becoming a master involves experience which requires doing. Anyone can pick up an ammo BPO and pretty much make isk without having to master the industrial aspects of the game. Through trial and error, which is the process of experience, one can work up to things with tighter margins.

you can not plan if you do not know WTF is going on or even the basics of the game. You will not just one day wake up and magically know the market. What you are talking about here is an ideal situation and what I am saying is that a new player needs to start somewhere or there is no way for him / her to learn.

You would not take a 16 year old who has never driven a car before and put them on the side of the highway with cars wizzing by at death inducing speeds and tell them to get in the driver seat and just pull out in traffic. You take them to a parking lot and let them learn how a car works before you go into local slow traffic then progress up to highway speeds.

What I am saying is that ammo is the dirver's Ed of Eve manufacturing. You are telling new players not to get on the highway until they are professional drivers and not giving them a path from where they are to where you suggest that they should be.

I try not to say this as bluntly as this too often, but this is bad advice.

If you start out doing nothing but trading you're going to get bored and burn out on Eve within weeks, possibly even days, it's the one thing that makes mining look intense and full of excitement and drama.

If spreadsheets online is what actually appeals to you, put 15$/month in an actual stock market instead and day-trade. Massively deeper play, same or greater entertainment value, and if you do really well you actually get money off of it.