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Gallenteans have started the war and now are lying about it
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2015-04-10 00:44:48 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:


It's time to stop it. Turn yourself to Faith and repel.


Yes, turn to a faith that started many a war..

That was deeds of humans, not the Lord. You should blame them, not our Faith. I don't want anyone to die anymore, I want everyone to live together in peace and to be happy.


A people who follow some god that demands servitude. Another people who wanted nothing to do with it. Fences make good neighbors they say, so why did your ancestors cross that fence? The reclaiming is "god's will" right? that's what I thought...

The God isn't the religion or Faith. The God is a reality. The Faith is about accepting this reality or not.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#122 - 2015-04-10 01:12:02 UTC
The faith to my understanding is faith in this "god reality," is it not? Please correct me if I'm wrong in my assumption. Where would the blame lay in forcing your beliefs on to others in the name of this god? Without this god belief there would be nothing to fight over.
KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2015-04-10 09:01:28 UTC  |  Edited by: KaRa DaVuT
No faith is above Human Life, and no God approves killing.

I for one choose to be a capsuleer to hunt down Guristas to take revenge of my family, and that path led me into different crossroads.. In time I learned that revenge gives you nothing but takes your humanity from yourself. So during a dilemma where I pointed a gun with thoughts of killing the family of the man who destroyed mine, I let them go just to prevent his boy to grow up like me : filled with rage and revenge... I ennded up in Mordus Legion and helped the Victims of Caldari Gallente war, saved as much civillian as I can and killed the ones who hunts down civillians..

Therefore, to whicheve race you belong, If you think the slaughter of my people, The Matari and the civillian losses of Caldari Gallente War are less important than some political gain, Then you all are no different than Drifters...

And to be fair, only god that I can confirm its existence is Bob The All-father of Anoikis...

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2015-04-10 09:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

There is a reason why generally the Empires leave most of the fighting to the capsuleers, or why we even exist at all. Plenty of us will just go, shoot one another, lose ship and capsule, come back and do it all over again, having learned nothing other than how not to lose ships that easily again. The fact that we even have crew do not quite register to many of us. The baseliner side is far less reckless and far less likely to go take suicidal risks.

Ships will keep dying regardless who fly them, capsule pilot or a captain from a bridge. Haven't millennia of wars teach you that? It doesn't matter how reckless or cautious you are, when you start a war, people die.

And yet you continue doing the same, attack us to "help your slaves" or attacking Caldari because they don't bow to you. Stop your agression, Federals and Republicans! You aren't fighting megacorporations or the Empress, you are fighting against regular peoples, same as you, who defend their land against you.

It's time to stop it. Turn yourself to Faith and repel.


It's one thing to undock and lose a Dominix in defense of one's home. It's another to undock and lose a Dominix because somebody insults one's mother. It's yet another matter to lose a Dominix over and over and over again to the same gatecamp because of a misguided attempt at revenge.

Guess who is more likely to do the last two. That same person will do it every single hour if he has the resources and stock to spare. How many baseliner admirals do you know of who pulls that shite?

When someone throws shite at the fan somebody will die. However, capsuleers, I argue, are far more likely to go around losing their ships on an hourly basis than a baseliner starship captain. Guess which one then has to replace his own ship more often, and who in turn puts more money into the manufacturer's wallet. I am not discussing morality, I'm discussing the economics of this war.

Also, **** you. Back where I come from, we leave missionaries out in the wilderness in dust storms if they start pestering and preaching about their religion.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#125 - 2015-04-10 17:21:23 UTC
Luna Hanaya wrote:

Ships will keep dying regardless who fly them, capsule pilot or a captain from a bridge. Haven't millennia of wars teach you that? It doesn't matter how reckless or cautious you are, when you start a war, people die.

And yet you continue doing the same, attack us to "help your slaves" or attacking Caldari because they don't bow to you. Stop your agression, Federals and Republicans! You aren't fighting megacorporations or the Empress, you are fighting against regular peoples, same as you, who defend their land against you.

It's time to stop it. Turn yourself to Faith and repel.


Student in the Imperial Academy, the military school for up-and-coming capsuleers of the Amarr Empire.
Supporter of the Amarr Empire, the nation with the longest recorded history of military conquest.
Believer in a faith that directly commands its followers to "reclaim" everything God created (which is everything) and to serve as justice incarnate on behalf of God toward those heathens that do not kneel in repentance.
Has the audacity to direct all fault toward the Federation and Republic, claiming we're the aggressors.

I try to avoid defamation of character remarks and ad hominem but the level of hypocrisy in your posts is nearly tangible.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#126 - 2015-04-10 18:43:04 UTC
Xadiran wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Don't play me a fool, gallentean..


I hardly need to. You make a fool of yourself enough for t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶h̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶u̶s̶ the entire IGS.

Oh, that said a gallentean, who made a terrible alogical comment earlier, and replied with that when I caught you?
Do you even use your brain, gallentean, or just spew propaganda like a parrot?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#127 - 2015-04-10 18:44:17 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.


Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime?

Another parrot?
Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime.

WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#128 - 2015-04-10 18:47:08 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:

As for the ancient history that is the origin of the First Gallente - Caldari War, I think we'de probably all be better served working towards a settlement than fighting the same battles over again.

Do you want a settlement? Then withdraw all gallenteans from Caldari Prime and Black Rise!
Otherwise, we will just remove them as we can ourselves.
With fire and steel

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#129 - 2015-04-10 18:50:35 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
You are talking about the colonies you built in violation of your agreement with the Federation? Those colonies?


I understand that the colonies breached the charter, it's not surprising since the people who built them were clearly preparing to go their own way, but shall we simply ask if the response was proportionate?

No. It wasn't.

Has any response in this conflict been proportionate? The answer: depends on which side of the field you're on.

We could compensate all proportions if Caldari do to Gallente what Gallente did to Caldari.
Starting with orbital bombardment of Gallente Prime and occupation it for the next 200 years, claiming whole Luminaire as Caldari only, just like gallentes did. And that will be only the start.

So, how about a bit proportion compensation?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#130 - 2015-04-10 18:53:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.


Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime?

Another parrot?
Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime.

WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION.

You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#131 - 2015-04-10 18:55:23 UTC
Thea Isotalo wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:

The State has not been the entity pursuing peace. Have we already forgotten that prior to Operation Highlander multiple attempts at peace conferences, diplomacy and non-violent resolution were made by the Federation?



And while your smiling diplomats were dickering at the bargaining table for this "peace" your ships and troops were sweeping across Black Rise. Those that you didn't kill, you forced into labor. And when the State came to kick your sorry butts out of our home, you tried to kill, **** or burn anything you couldn't carry off with you.

Since I was on one of those colonies at the time, you'll forgive me if I have some pretty severe ******* doubts about what the word "peace" mean in Gallente.


How there could be peace at all, while they still occupy our lands?... Our HOME lands. Peace is possible only every last gallentean occupant will be dealt with.
But then again, while the Federation exists, it will continue trying to occupy our worlds. We have signed several treaties with them, which they have VIOLATED.

One has to be just stupid to trust gallenteans ever again. No, to make peace with gallente, there's only one option: TO ENFORCE IT. To make gallente UNABLE to ocupy and attack us PHYSICALLY.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#132 - 2015-04-10 18:56:12 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.


Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime?

Another parrot?
Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime.

WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION.

You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded.

Have you damn read the start of this topic?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#133 - 2015-04-10 18:57:09 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
You are talking about the colonies you built in violation of your agreement with the Federation? Those colonies?


I understand that the colonies breached the charter, it's not surprising since the people who built them were clearly preparing to go their own way, but shall we simply ask if the response was proportionate?

No. It wasn't.

Has any response in this conflict been proportionate? The answer: depends on which side of the field you're on.

We could compensate all proportions if Caldari do to Gallente what Gallente did to Caldari.
Starting with orbital bombardment of Gallente Prime and occupation it for the next 200 years, claiming whole Luminaire as Caldari only, just like gallentes did. And that will be only the start.

So, how about a bit proportion compensation?

We could also threaten Caldari Prime with a doomsday. But we're better then that.... It must feel horrible, being unable to personally slaughter every Gallente citizen to sate your blood lust. I pity you.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#134 - 2015-04-10 19:00:03 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.


Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime?

Another parrot?
Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime.

WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION.

You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded.

Have you damn read the start of this topic?

I did, actually. I fail to see how any of that makes my point invalid.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#135 - 2015-04-10 19:03:32 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded.

Have you damn read the start of this topic?

I did, actually. I fail to see how any of that makes my point invalid.

Okay, first military invasion after the truce was by Noir.
Then, gallenteans on Caldari Prime were still invaders, left by the truce to stay there.
Next, gallenteans started racist attacks against Caldari on Caldari Prime.
We came and liberated our planet from gallente occupation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#136 - 2015-04-10 19:11:43 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded.

Have you damn read the start of this topic?

I did, actually. I fail to see how any of that makes my point invalid.

Okay, first military invasion after the truce was by Noir.
Then, gallenteans on Caldari Prime were still invaders, left by the truce to stay there.
Next, gallenteans started racist attacks against Caldari on Caldari Prime.
We came and liberated our planet from gallente occupation.

And in the process, invaded sovereign Federation space in violation of aforementioned truce. My point still remains valid.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#137 - 2015-04-10 19:13:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.


Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime?

Another parrot?
Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime.

WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION.


Congratulations, you completely circumvented my question and instead repeated the same mindless drivel that you repeat ad infinitum in every discussion in every venue.

The question wasn't, "Did you liberate Caldari Prime or occupy it?" The question was, "Are you referring to the part where you invaded the Federation?"

However, despite your attempt at misdirection and circumvention, you have given me the only answer you knew you could; "Yes."

Thank you. Please move along.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#138 - 2015-04-10 19:15:35 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.


Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime?

Another parrot?
Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime.

WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION.


Congratulations, you completely circumvented my question and instead repeated the same mindless drivel that you repeat ad infinitum in every discussion in every venue.

The question wasn't, "Did you liberate Caldari Prime or occupy it?" The question was, "Are you referring to the part where you invaded the Federation?"

However, despite your attempt at misdirection and circumvention, you have given me the only answer you knew you could; "Yes."

Thank you. Please move along.

I am answering the most important issues first, and this is a basis for any business relation. And what I saw was a gallentean propaganda about "Caldari occupied Caldari Prime". Stopping such drivel is above answering any questions.
Caldari Prime was occupied by gallente ans was liberated by Tibus Heth. Learn facts already if you wish to participate in fruitful discussions.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#139 - 2015-04-10 19:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Antolliere
The fact is that the Gallente on Caldari Prime were there by concession and legal agreement.
The fact is that Tibus Heth used Caldari Prime to elevate himself to power by preying upon his own people's patriotism and sense of cultural pride.
The fact is that the Caldari State, under the leadership of Tibus Heth, invaded the Gallente Federation in a completely illogical step simply to make a statement and hold an entire planet hostage.
The fact is that the current war was started by the signing of the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act following the simultaneous invasion of Yulai and the Federation during the sabotaging of the CONCORD Emergency Response System.
The fact is that despite all of your loud-mouth crying and repetition, none of these facts will change and no matter how you try to color it and change your presentation of it, the facts don't agree with your assessment.

Regarding your comment on "fruitful discussions," I know the facts. Perhaps you should try learning them instead of twisting them to suit your worldview. There can be no fruitful discussions with you.

This will be my last response to you. Enjoy the last word.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#140 - 2015-04-10 19:46:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Liam Antolliere wrote:
The fact is that the Gallente on Caldari Prime were there by concession and legal agreement.
The fact is that Tibus Heth used Caldari Prime to elevate himself to power by preying upon his own people's patriotism and sense of cultural pride.
The fact is that the Caldari State, under the leadership of Tibus Heth, invaded the Gallente Federation in a completely illogical step simply to make a statement and hold an entire planet hostage.
The fact is that the current war was started by the signing of the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act following the simultaneous invasion of Yulai and the Federation during the sabotaging of the CONCORD Emergency Response System.
The fact is that despite all of your loud-mouth crying and repetition, none of these facts will change and no matter how you try to color it and change your presentation of it, the facts don't agree with your assessment.

Regarding your comment on "fruitful discussions," I know the facts. Perhaps you should try learning them instead of twisting them to suit your worldview. There can be no fruitful discussions with you.

This will be my last response to you. Enjoy the last word.

I have this theory that Kimmy is actually a Drone in people suit. Her arguments are preprogrammed and thus won't change regardless of the topic. I have done everything from supporting her cause, trolling her, changing the topic to tasty food products, trolling her, attempting to change her mind, and trolling her. Her response always remains the same without fail: kill all Gallente, Destroy the Federation.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.