Science & Industry

Can you provide link to CCP approved set of rules to play Eve Online? I fear after playing 5 years this game i have never read them let alone recall anything....

I've done quite a bit of hauling and mining over the years in highsec, and from what I can tell - gankers are getting more coordinated and concentrating on their most profitable locations (jita, udaema, njarja) but otherwise ganking elsewhere isn't anything much to worry about unless you have a fail fit.

I see players solo mining in hulks and macks all the time in 0.5 system and I chat with them about why they aren't using a skiff instead....I nearly always hear that getting ganked is just a cost of doing business or that the high yield pays for the ganked ships. I check local killboards and its always the hulks and macks getting killed, and when you look at the details - most of them have under 15K ehp and are in max-yield fit.

Similarly for hauling, other than jita, nearly all the kills I see are for t1 industrials - especially those carrying >100M isk which really should have been moved in a t2 transport. Yes, freighter killing season happens on/off in the gank points but freighter pilots are making the decision they want the high paying courier jobs to go through them. Not a problem.

I notice that the Value of ships destroyed by CONCORD is not going up. But the number is. This indicate that:
The gankers are using more cheaper ships to do the job, and/or
They are using more free rookie ships to relocate CONCORD.

In both of the above, the result is the loss of more gank ships per gank. So CONCORD kills many not be a good proxy for gank kills.
Despite this, Ive seen and heard, second hand, of increases in activity. (Second hand being someone on chat or coms saying they just got ganked.)

What we need is for CCP to give us a plot of ship losses due to being a victim of illegal activity per month.

1) No. I've seen much less of the big packs that could take down hardened targets since loyalanon went on to other things. I have seen some new and effective gankers in one area I frequent which have an impact on soft targets. And Hyperdunking adds a new element of risk to freighters.

2) Same as always -- make sure I have adequate tank if I think trouble is around. Make sure I'm not the easiest target. Get to know the locals. I chat with people in local including gankers, but I don't trash talk. Keep cargo value reasonable. Check Dotlan before hauling through known trouble spots. Don't AP through known trouble spots. Use insta-docks and insta-undocks.

I don't mind the gankers. I respect the effort they put into the game and I think they make things more interesting. Awoxers are a different story.

A few old corpmates and I have re-subbed about 3 weeks ago. We have been mining extensively. We have been doing courier missions, even into low sec, extensively. We have been hauling in T1 indy's, freighter caravans (3) in hi sec, and jump freighters (2) and transports (3) in and out of low sec/hi sec. We have been doing security missions extensively in hi sec. We have been doing PI in low sec and hauling to hi sec with those same transports and jump freighters.

If anything, we have noticed ZERO attempts to gank us, steal our salvage, or to be harassed in any way. In fact, on one courier mission in low sec, I exited the station and saw two cruisers within attack range. I was ready to re-enter the station, but they warped off as if they didn't want the transport ship kill. They didn't even attempt a lock. I figured at best, they'd camp the station and I'd have to clone jump out to make them bored and leave. But ... they warped off, apparently disinterested.

Dudes, our cyno alts are not being killed/podded!!! Huh, wha ?!?!?

That being said, we fly heavily tanked Macks and Battle Orca with shield harmonic thingy on mining ops, and historically, are known to survive gank attempts in 0.5 sysytems, i.e., we are not profitable. Before, the gankers that were well know to us left us alone, and those who made attempts with "min necessary" set-ups, soon learned we are not easy targets. But now? Go figure? We expected SOME attempts!

We have seen plenty of roaming reds in low sec, but that is as it was before and to be expected and not the concern of the OP.

The only difference that MAY explain this, at least that we see, is the lower population. When we quit, 55-60K online were typical. Now, what, 30K on the weekend, 22K on off times? At least, this is what we are seeing at times when we play.

So if there is an increase in gankage, we do not see it ... yet.

Welcome to Eve, where ass hats think they're important.

I too think there has been. Lots of concord ships in belts and giant veldspar rocks even in 9 security status systems.

Hi,
Long time can flipper and war dec player here. I have been called a griefer.( I think the term "semi-consentual fun delivery agent" is more accurate.)

I used to roam belts stealing things for fights. Sometimes in a frigate or badger, sometimes I would bait outside station. Or, war decs were so cheap I could dec a local corp very casually and not worry if I got anything out of it.

Then the aggro rules changed and the risk and viability of baiting for fights became imbalanced, IMO.

It is so much harder to bait that most of the baiters I knew either quit or went merc.

Back then, Ganking only made sense if you knew the cargo was expensive.

Now Ganking the the most viable form of casual highsec pvp.

Yeah, I'm sure it's increasing... It's now the lowest risk engagement method in high sec... And a decent source of isk.

I think it is a result of the new mechanics.

For the record, I liked the old rules better. I think they produced better content for me and the miners.

I posted some about this in C & P. I have had miners write me and agree with me.
Mo

I think you are missing the OP's point. I think the OP has a valid point.

2 years ago, nobody would have ganked a noob mining vessel. It wasn't worth it. In between wars and flipping/baiting I would occasionally gank a bot miner just because I felt like they were cheating. I always announced it in local so everyone would come watch and give the miner a chance to be a person. It was fun for all.

Ganking wasn't something you saw very often outside hulkageddon, which was a competition.

Now Ganking is normally done all over empire... As a playstyle.

2 years ago, it made more sense to try to steal from a mining vessel to try to get a fight. Now it's safer and more controllable to just gank and let concord kill you.

Short answer: all the guys who play Eve like "GTA: Space" have figured out that ganks are the easiest farmable crime mission.

Over the past 6 years, I've been ganked once in hisec, because I made a mistake.

I warped to station on Jita 4-4 instead of my insta-dock bookmark.

One volley from a Tornado is all it took.

I don't blame my attacker at all. I think he's got a great profession: shooting any uncloaked BR.