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Epic Smartbombfail aka How CCP protect da Carebears
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#81 - 2015-04-09 21:48:30 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
It doesn't look like anyone has mentioned it but smart bombs AS FAR AS I KNOW do not do focused damage. If a ship is next to you and you fire the smart bomb you will not do the advertised damage as the damaged is spread over the advertised area. So you only do a percentage of the damage. That or the damage is divided by the number of ships in range.

I could be wrong though.




Are smart bombs distributing damage based on ship size in some manner as done with missiles?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#82 - 2015-04-09 21:50:33 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Tuttomenui II wrote:
It doesn't look like anyone has mentioned it but smart bombs AS FAR AS I KNOW do not do focused damage. If a ship is next to you and you fire the smart bomb you will not do the advertised damage as the damaged is spread over the advertised area. So you only do a percentage of the damage. That or the damage is divided by the number of ships in range.

I could be wrong though.




Are smart bombs distributing damage based on ship size in some manner as done with missiles?


Noep.

They have no explosion radius or signature resolution attributes. Smile

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#83 - 2015-04-10 01:15:24 UTC
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
They have no explosion radius or signature resolution attributes. Smile
NERF it! P

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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2015-04-10 01:50:25 UTC
Smartbombs do their damage to anything (minus the host ship) within their AOE, however shield/armor/hull resistance will reduce the damage the target actually recieves. Which is why it looks like they aren't "doing focused damage"
Infrequent
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#85 - 2015-04-10 12:19:07 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
I'll be surprised if not only do you not get your ships back, but some of you don't get temp bans for "deliberately inducing server lag".

It's a pretty well known fact that smartbombing large-ish groups of ships in high sec will produce mind numbing levels of lag as the server tries to spawn concord for every ship you hit - and everyone else in your fleet is doing the same thing. You did it to yourself, and have no one but yourself to blame.

That said, good on you for creating content.


So it's their fault CCP's got crap servers? :)


Please tell me more about how military grade servers are crap.
Kaphrah
Angry Angels Constructions
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2015-04-10 14:06:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaphrah
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:
And raw damage and resists does not matter here. 140k is raw damage. 100k EHP is the amount of raw damage needed to kill the ship instantly, so we are already comparing the same things if we have raw DMG and EHP.
Range, their own logi, overheating, shield regen, lack of perfect skills in the attackers, there are many factors to shake off that 40K.



Their own logi ~_~'''

Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp.
To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore)

Back to the damage while warping thing:
First, Incursion logis have WAY, WAAAAY, WAAAAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAAAAY less EHP than 140k.
Second, they were still leaving warp while the first volley should have hit. Try to lock something while your ship is working.
That should solve your question here.
Overheat? Maybe. Still they had no fleetboost, so 1 overheated invul doesn't bring your ship even close to 200k+.
You get hit by the first cycle while in warp, absolutlely helpless, the second one hits 6-8 seconds later while you'r scrammed and webbed. Logis are gone on the first one. If the servers would work there is no chance of escape.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#87 - 2015-04-10 14:15:25 UTC
I got to watch that video later and add my feedback to this.
I bet most people here never actually disco'd anything.

Btw, why didn't you use t2 large ones?
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#88 - 2015-04-10 14:17:12 UTC
Also I want to add that smartbombs have a hidde bonus to range
depending on the shipsize. The bigger your "long axis" the further you do damage.

Just for completeness.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#89 - 2015-04-10 14:26:51 UTC
Kudos for trying. Dead carebears are always something to strive towards.

Not today spaghetti.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#90 - 2015-04-10 14:46:48 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Dead carebears
Achievement unlocked!
Forum thread full of tears! Blink

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PopplerRo
#91 - 2015-04-10 14:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: PopplerRo
Kaphrah wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:
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Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp.
To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore)

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Except lately I've seen where CCP were reimbursing pods/shuttles which died to smartbombers while landing on gate (still technically in warp) in highsec, it's not to say they wouldn't have reimbursed if you folks were successful then. Nice idea though, shame the server couldn't handle this bit of gameplay Big smile
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#92 - 2015-04-10 14:48:32 UTC
PopplerRo wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:
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Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp.
To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore)

...



Except lately I've seen where CCP were reimbursing pods/shuttles which died to smartbombers while landing on gate (still technically in warp) in highsec


WHAT Shocked

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2015-04-10 14:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
PopplerRo wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:
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Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp.
To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore)

...



Except lately I've seen where CCP were reimbursing pods/shuttles which died to smartbombers while landing on gate (still technically in warp) in highsec


WHAT Shocked


I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work...

The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now...
PopplerRo
#94 - 2015-04-10 14:58:32 UTC  |  Edited by: PopplerRo
Frostys Virpio wrote:


I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work...

The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now...


think it was along the lines of "I'm in warp, no one should be able hurt me while in warp and unable to react to what is happening, waa waa reimburse me"
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#95 - 2015-04-10 14:58:38 UTC
Kaphrah wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:
And raw damage and resists does not matter here. 140k is raw damage. 100k EHP is the amount of raw damage needed to kill the ship instantly, so we are already comparing the same things if we have raw DMG and EHP.
Range, their own logi, overheating, shield regen, lack of perfect skills in the attackers, there are many factors to shake off that 40K.



Their own logi ~_~'''

Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp.
To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore)

Back to the damage while warping thing:
First, Incursion logis have WAY, WAAAAY, WAAAAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAAAAY less EHP than 140k.
Second, they were still leaving warp while the first volley should have hit. Try to lock something while your ship is working.
That should solve your question here.
Overheat? Maybe. Still they had no fleetboost, so 1 overheated invul doesn't bring your ship even close to 200k+.
You get hit by the first cycle while in warp, absolutlely helpless, the second one hits 6-8 seconds later while you'r scrammed and webbed. Logis are gone on the first one. If the servers would work there is no chance of escape.


Indeed if the server were able to handle all that happened within those few seconds, the logi and battleship should of died. The only issue is, did CCP ever say stuff like that was supposed to be supported correctly by the server? The number generated were pretty damn high on a non-reinforced node which might also have been dealing with action in other systems.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#96 - 2015-04-10 15:00:22 UTC
PopplerRo wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work...

The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now...


think it was along the lines of "I'm in warp, no one should be able hurtme while in warp and unable to react to what is happening"


Yeah and the real question is, are you supposed to be vulnerable to smartbomb or not while in warp. If you are not supposed to be immune, the reimbursement was an error. If you are supposed to be immune, then it should be reported as a bug.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#97 - 2015-04-10 15:14:14 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
PopplerRo wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work...

The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now...


think it was along the lines of "I'm in warp, no one should be able hurtme while in warp and unable to react to what is happening"


Yeah and the real question is, are you supposed to be vulnerable to smartbomb or not while in warp. If you are not supposed to be immune, the reimbursement was an error. If you are supposed to be immune, then it should be reported as a bug.

It has been like this for years and there must have been hundreds of petitions about this already.
Santo Trafficante made sure of that.
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Asura Vajrarupa
Doomheim
#98 - 2015-04-10 16:09:26 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Ugh Herzog, I hope you are joking.



I'm not an aspergian min-maxer, meaning I never used a disco BS. I never set out to "do everything" in the game and have never used a smart bomb. So I am serious.


If there is some denigration to be afforded for not knowing, then excuse me for not going to out use every last detail in the game out of some obsession. Forgive me for being sane and having a life.


Yeah, but there's this thing called the internet, you can do searches for information on it with another thing called a search engine (which btw isn't like a car engine)...

Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#99 - 2015-04-10 16:16:34 UTC
Asura Vajrarupa wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Ugh Herzog, I hope you are joking.



I'm not an aspergian min-maxer, meaning I never used a disco BS. I never set out to "do everything" in the game and have never used a smart bomb. So I am serious.


If there is some denigration to be afforded for not knowing, then excuse me for not going to out use every last detail in the game out of some obsession. Forgive me for being sane and having a life.


Yeah, but there's this thing called the internet, you can do searches for information on it with another thing called a search engine (which btw isn't like a car engine)...


What about hooman interaction? (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜)

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#100 - 2015-04-10 20:34:41 UTC
If this had gone off without a hitch, it would probably have been the best ALOD of the year. Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. Oh how mighty the tears would have been.