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AF Bonus output from Chaos: Please don't do MWD!

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-12-23 23:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
Hi,

Thank you for finally looking into AF bonuses and finally giving the ret another mid slot. Love you so much for these things.

Instead of giving them all a bonus to the penalty (50%) on the sig radius for MWD's, how about a 200% 80% velocity bonus to frigate class Afterburners (EDIT: Or a 10% somethin... per level) instead?

Most AF's are pretty tight to fit with AB's as it is. I personally think that an AB bonus would give them a unique role/niche in eve where they'd get used and be able to fit a more beefy tank instead of just being a high DPS interceptor.

Thanks for reading.

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ChaeDoc II
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-23 23:45:26 UTC
I completely agree with what Zagdul says and am in full support of his suggestions.


Not that he has a gun to my head or anything.
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-12-24 00:05:20 UTC
An after burner bonus would make them different from that of a Interceptor even a 150% bonus would make them more appealing

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Techno Pterodactyl
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-12-24 00:10:52 UTC
I understand the AB bonus has been on test before, but I was not there for it. Most of my assault friggies use a AB so I would rather have that bonus.
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-12-24 00:42:36 UTC
ab please yes. Assault frigs are not ment to be used with mwd :p It feels wrong. it is not inovative.

There was a test with ab ages ago but a lot of people were afraid of imbalance. I can understand this fear but i can asure you that there will never ever be fleets of raging assault frigs. the dramiel in its best time was used in hughe amounts but still no raging dramiel fleets :p

I really doubt the assault frig will be the only option to use if it gets the so much needed ab boost. There are destroyers, which will still eat this tiny ship and there is a dramiel and a daredevil.

MWD no for assault frigs, it is easy number crushing change. booring for customers. boring for game design.
I have to admit it is the easist and most secure change. There will be no raging customer cloud hounting your dreams.
Please reconsider it, it is booring design and far away from assault frigs ideas and usage.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-12-24 02:16:03 UTC
Loath as I am to agree with anyone from Failtal Ascension, this is actually a good idea and should be implemented.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#7 - 2011-12-24 03:41:43 UTC
supported.

+ can't wait to use the retirbution as solo ship

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Techno Pterodactyl
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-12-24 03:55:47 UTC
The AB speed bonus wouldnt even need to be very high to make a formidable improvement.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#9 - 2011-12-24 05:40:36 UTC
AB bonus is good.

Make it so.
Logan LaMort
Screaming Hayabusa
#10 - 2011-12-24 06:57:59 UTC
In support of an AB bonus, It's what I use personally and I feel it suits the role better. After all these aren't Interceptors, these are the backup, the heavy in your face hitting frigs and we could do with that extra mobility.
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#11 - 2011-12-24 10:27:44 UTC
While we are at it with such suggestions, I suggest my Megathron get a +10% per level shield resist bonus because I would like my inability to come up with viable fits to be compensated by CCP. I feel it suits the role of Megathrons better. After all, these are not Myrmidons, because Myrmidons use armour so Megathrons should use shield. Megathrons are not meant to be used with armour. It feels wrong. Shield bonus is good. Make it so.

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Gabriel Karade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2011-12-24 11:50:11 UTC
A long time ago I explored the possibility of an AB bonus while discussing revisions for the Gallente line-up; the only way it would ever work would be with a corresponding downside - an inertia ‘drawback’ was the most sensible (i.e. increased straight-line speed with reduced turning ability), but based on some preliminary testing for every 10% increase in AB bonus you'd need a minimum 5% increase inertia (realistically it would probably have to be nearer to 10%), otherwise the whole thing becomes ridiculously overpowered just as it did when the devs released their version on the test server.

In short, AB bonuses don't really work, hence why you won't ever see them.

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Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
#13 - 2011-12-24 18:10:32 UTC
+1

Interceptors are the mwd frigs, give AFs an AB bonus
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-12-24 19:30:04 UTC
I agree with this thread, make AFs AB not MWD. We already have a MWD specialty frigate.

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Skylitha
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-12-24 22:17:32 UTC
+1 AB bonus for assault frigs please. They are not interceptors, This bonus would make my wolf a viable pvp ship again.
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel
#16 - 2011-12-24 23:14:24 UTC
giving AFs an mwd bonus is not just stepping on the toes of interceptors is outright crushing them =Z

I can see why the AB bonus would be overpowered easily even though it might not even be that bad anymore with destroyers being a lot better now (still not perfect tho)
although AFs are supposed to be a hard counter to the stuff that is bigger then it right?

maybe its time to invent some new bonuses that have not yet been used on another ship

on a side note I think the only way to get people to fly every type of ship is to make them all hard counters to each other
i.e. you need to use destroyers or frigates to kill frigates cause they are very hard to kill with bigger ships

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Jaigar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-12-25 01:26:51 UTC
Gabriel Karade wrote:
A long time ago I explored the possibility of an AB bonus while discussing revisions for the Gallente line-up; the only way it would ever work would be with a corresponding downside - an inertia ‘drawback’ was the most sensible (i.e. increased straight-line speed with reduced turning ability), but based on some preliminary testing for every 10% increase in AB bonus you'd need a minimum 5% increase inertia (realistically it would probably have to be nearer to 10%), otherwise the whole thing becomes ridiculously overpowered just as it did when the devs released their version on the test server.

In short, AB bonuses don't really work, hence why you won't ever see them.

Yup, and you run into the issue of being punished for higher level skills so-to-say. I'd love an AB bonus myself, but its just not needed; hell, getting a 4th ship bonus is enough I feel (and perhaps the mid on the retribution).

However, the last thing you want from frigates and PvP is a Paper-Rock-Scissors deal, where assault ships will always beat X, but be defeated by Y, etc.

Honestly I feel a 50% sig radius reduction on MWD would be bettered suited on EAFs.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#18 - 2011-12-25 05:34:36 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Hi,
Instead of giving them all a bonus to the penalty (50%) on the sig radius for MWD's, how about a 200% velocity bonus to Afterburners instead?

That's too much.

A 50% bonus might work, though.

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Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#19 - 2011-12-25 10:11:03 UTC
Thing is, this only changes larger ship damage projection abilities on Assault Frigates. Doesn't shange their mechanics otherwise (You can still scram it). With an afterburner... You have to deal with the speed. Thats potentially game-breaking, while a micro-warp drive sig reduction really isn't.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-12-25 17:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Hi,
Instead of giving them all a bonus to the penalty (50%) on the sig radius for MWD's, how about a 200% velocity bonus to Afterburners instead?

That's too much.

A 50% bonus might work, though.

I figured I'd aim high.

Morgan North wrote:
Thing is, this only changes larger ship damage projection abilities on Assault Frigates. Doesn't shange their mechanics otherwise (You can still scram it). With an afterburner... You have to deal with the speed. Thats potentially game-breaking, while a micro-warp drive sig reduction really isn't.


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