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This thing called "anti-ganking"

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#81 - 2015-04-09 18:09:40 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Tears are tears people! Gankers are carebears, they all taste the same to me.
Mr Epeen Cool
Fixed that one for you.
Often hiding behind anonymous alts, undocking in empty pods and cheap ships to attack ships that usually have no chance of surviving the attack or fighting back?
Attacking the weakest ships in the game is more carebear than any ratter or miners that undocks despite how useless they are in the face of an attack.

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Staten Island
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#82 - 2015-04-09 18:32:03 UTC
DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:
So im a ganker that love to blap AutoPiloters and noobs hauling their *beep*.

But i've noticed more and more people coming to collect a km but yet calling it anti-ganking.

What im trying to figure out is why they call themselves anti-gankers when they dont save the target im going for, but only collecting km's filled with gateguns.
So what im asking is, what is the point of that?

And as you prob will ask, whats the point of ganking in hi-sec? Loot ofcorse.


You know whats fun? Sitting in a belt in an cloaked insta-locking sb waiting for a ganker to pop a barge and then after they get conkorkianened, popping their pod. The tears are hysterical. You know whats even more fun? Popping their scoop ship and stealing their loot. Good times.
Staten Island
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#83 - 2015-04-09 18:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Staten Island
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Tears are tears people! Gankers are carebears, they all taste the same to me.
Mr Epeen Cool
Fixed that one for you.
Often hiding behind anonymous alts, undocking in empty pods and cheap ships to attack ships that usually have no chance of surviving the attack or fighting back?
Attacking the weakest ships in the game is more carebear than any ratter or miners that undocks despite how useless they are in the face of an attack.


The majority of eve combat is asymmetrical. If your target has a chance of fighting back you are doing it wrong. It doesnt matter whether its ganking carebears in hs or blopping a titan in null, its all one and the same.

From a personal view, I hate it when my targets shoot back.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#84 - 2015-04-09 18:41:52 UTC
Staten Island wrote:
The majority of eve combat is asymmetrical. If your target has a chance of fighting back you are doing it wrong. It doesnt matter whether its ganking carebears in hs or blopping a titan in null, its all one and the same.

From a personal view, I hate it when my targets shoot back.
Recently, I was in a Nightmare fleet, we were trapped in a dead end system and they had superior forces camping us on the gate.

We had a superior composition and perfectly executed them.

The really sweet spot for me was in High Sec wars when there was 10-15 vs 10-15. We didn't have any logi pilots, I would jump first in a Cyclone and try active / speed tanking while applying some damage long enough for them to break.

It is those moments when you feel the weight of a battle hanging in the balance across your shoulders, where a single mistake means that your side are wiped out.
That! Is the real EVE rush.

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Staten Island
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#85 - 2015-04-09 20:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Staten Island
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Staten Island wrote:
The majority of eve combat is asymmetrical. If your target has a chance of fighting back you are doing it wrong. It doesnt matter whether its ganking carebears in hs or blopping a titan in null, its all one and the same.

From a personal view, I hate it when my targets shoot back.
Recently, I was in a Nightmare fleet, we were trapped in a dead end system and they had superior forces camping us on the gate.

We had a superior composition and perfectly executed them.

The really sweet spot for me was in High Sec wars when there was 10-15 vs 10-15. We didn't have any logi pilots, I would jump first in a Cyclone and try active / speed tanking while applying some damage long enough for them to break.

It is those moments when you feel the weight of a battle hanging in the balance across your shoulders, where a single mistake means that your side are wiped out.
That! Is the real EVE rush.


Meh. Battles in eve are rock paper scissor. The vast majority of fights are decided at the decision of whether to engage or not. The fun in eve is getting people to think that they are going to win so that they will engage, then dropping the hammer on them.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2015-04-09 20:59:48 UTC
Staten Island wrote:
The majority of eve combat is asymmetrical. If your target has a chance of fighting back you are doing it wrong. It doesnt matter whether its ganking carebears in hs or blopping a titan in null, its all one and the same.

From a personal view, I hate it when my targets shoot back.


To me, that sounds as exciting as shooting a tiny red cross. Or mining a rock. Which is to say, dreadfully boring. The most exciting times in EVE for me has been when we've engaged a fleet larger than us, or more powerful than us, or more expensive than us - and we emerged victorious.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#87 - 2015-04-09 21:09:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Attacking the weakest ships in the game is more carebear than any ratter or miners that undocks despite how useless they are in the face of an attack.

People in glass houses.... lest people check your own killboard and see mobile depots, mobile tractor units, industrials, T1 fit BNI Atrons killed by a larger fleet, etc.

That could also be judged as more carebear than any ratter or miner.

But it's stuff we all have on our killboards, because at the end of the day many of us that pvp like to kill stuff and those things are as valid a target as anything else. Making judgements about how others choose to pvp is kind of lame in that case, since most of us don't live by any higher standard.

Some just like to pretend they do.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2015-04-09 21:09:09 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
Staten Island wrote:
The majority of eve combat is asymmetrical. If your target has a chance of fighting back you are doing it wrong. It doesnt matter whether its ganking carebears in hs or blopping a titan in null, its all one and the same.

From a personal view, I hate it when my targets shoot back.


To me, that sounds as exciting as shooting a tiny red cross. Or mining a rock. Which is to say, dreadfully boring. The most exciting times in EVE for me has been when we've engaged a fleet larger than us, or more powerful than us, or more expensive than us - and we emerged victorious.

Rats don't send you whining messages or Evemails when you shoot them.
Nor do they have loot drops on par with freighters.
Other than that, yeah it's kinda similar.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#89 - 2015-04-09 21:23:27 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Eli Stan wrote:
Staten Island wrote:
The majority of eve combat is asymmetrical. If your target has a chance of fighting back you are doing it wrong. It doesnt matter whether its ganking carebears in hs or blopping a titan in null, its all one and the same.

From a personal view, I hate it when my targets shoot back.


To me, that sounds as exciting as shooting a tiny red cross. Or mining a rock. Which is to say, dreadfully boring. The most exciting times in EVE for me has been when we've engaged a fleet larger than us, or more powerful than us, or more expensive than us - and we emerged victorious.

Rats don't send you whining messages or Evemails when you shoot them.
Nor do they have loot drops on par with freighters.
Other than that, yeah it's kinda similar.

Imagine if they did!
OMG LOL :D
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#90 - 2015-04-09 21:41:25 UTC
The carebear world is plagued by inaction. They cry and moan and wail endlessly about ganking, but 99.9% of them will not lift a finger to do anything about it, either by taking action or by attempting to defend themselves.

Subsequently when a carebear decides to do anything at all, even if it's something that doesn't even affect the outcome of a gank such as whoring on one of a dozen catalysts as they gank something coming through a gate they feel an elevated sense of achievement far beyond the actual impact of their actions.

The majority of other carebears won't do anything at all except complain and die, by those standards those who make faint, half hearted gestures are heroes by comparison to their peers.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#91 - 2015-04-09 21:44:48 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The carebear world is plagued by inaction. They cry and moan and wail endlessly about ganking, but 99.9% of them will not lift a finger to do anything about it, either by taking action or by attempting to defend themselves.

Subsequently when a carebear decides to do anything at all, even if it's something that doesn't even affect the outcome of a gank such as whoring on one of a dozen catalysts as they gank something coming through a gate they feel an elevated sense of achievement far beyond the actual impact of their actions.

The majority of other carebears won't do anything at all except complain and die, by those standards those who make faint, half hearted gestures are heroes by comparison to their peers.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#92 - 2015-04-09 21:51:48 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The carebear world is plagued by inaction. They cry and moan and wail endlessly about ganking, but 99.9% of them will not lift a finger to do anything about it, either by taking action or by attempting to defend themselves.


Maybe. But this thread was started by a whiny ganker and then filled up with ganker tears.

I think the two are more alike than they care to admit. Both are whiny, entitled tearbags that want to play their own way with no consequences for their actions.

I dare say that most of the epic tearnados in this place started from risk free PVP babies not getting their way.

Mr Epeen Cool
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#93 - 2015-04-09 22:32:19 UTC
I apologize for making a post about the actual subject matter of the thread rather than a dumb, trolling, derailing badpost like yours.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2015-04-09 23:25:21 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I apologize for making a post about the actual subject matter of the thread rather than a dumb, trolling, derailing badpost like yours.

How dare you accuse Epeen of making a dumb post? I mean the rest was spot on, but dumb? That's just rude.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#95 - 2015-04-10 00:41:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Attacking the weakest ships in the game is more carebear than any ratter or miners that undocks despite how useless they are in the face of an attack.

People in glass houses.... lest people check your own killboard and see mobile depots, mobile tractor units, industrials, T1 fit BNI Atrons killed by a larger fleet, etc..
0 miners
1 battle Neuros
2 mobile depots, both reds in blue space and one was a hot dropper's
0 mobile tractor units

Almost everything I have shot has been used for or ships wanting to PVP. * I * try and keep it that way.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#96 - 2015-04-10 01:01:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

0 mobile tractor units

March 18th.

You shoot defenseless stuff right?

Same as most. That's why judgments of anyone about others pvp are baseless. Anyone can try to justify it - they were red is a perfect example. Marmite's and many of the other pvpers that you refer to as 'more carebear than a ratter or miner' could use exactly the same justification.

None of it matters. No one's pvp style is holier than anyone else's. They are all valid and being 'more carebear than a ratter or miner' can be used to describe you, just as much as it could describe me, or anyone else that pvp's if we shoot something defenseless. It's hypocritical otherwise.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#97 - 2015-04-10 01:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
0 mobile tractor units
March 18th..
True. Did not remember that, I must have just fast shot a broadcast.
Find another.

I repeat, I try and keep it that way. Others deliberately seek out easy kills to pad their kill boards or hunt them almost exclusively. So, yes, I completely sneer and look down upon them.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#98 - 2015-04-10 01:09:49 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Find another.

How many qualifies to be classed as an illegitimate pvper?

Cause that's all these types of judgements are. "That person is not as real pvper. Not like me". It's nothing but ego.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#99 - 2015-04-10 01:12:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Scipio Artelius wrote:
How many qualifies to be classed as an illegitimate pvper?.
A majority of easy kills is an obvious line.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#100 - 2015-04-10 01:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
How many qualifies to be classed as an illegitimate pvper?.
A majority of easy kills is an obvious line.

That would be you then right?

You only have 4 solo fights since 2011, 3 of those losses, the 1 win being against a very scary mobile depot. The rest of the time you F1 monkey in fleets, hiding behind the calls and brains of someone else, with roughly half your board shooting structures.

That's got to be a fair judgment.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem reasonable to me in the same way that it isn't reasonable to apply a double standard to anyone. People that are easy targets, choose themselves to be easy targets. That's not the fault of the person that shoots them.