Crime & Punishment

I always pitch these posts based on what I want, I thought I would try to spin the perspective.

Imagine you're a miner (yeah, I know I'm in C&P).



The old mining paradigm was really pretty cool for those who wanted to play some risk.

Back then, jet cans were a valuable tool in a mining operation. You could fill your hull and hop back, but we didn't have huge ore bays on everything back then. Most miners had to either mine into a can (security risk), or hop back and forth to station for substantial reduction in production.

So, when you got to the belt, you had to decide whether to reduce risk, accept 500 jumps to station, and lower production rates... or, if you feel lucky and mine into a jet can.

Jet can mining was FAR more profitable than traditional methods because of small cargo holds, but also much riskier. The risk came from other players who would steal your stuff.

This was a great mini-game within Eve and one that gave a lot of us joy. This was a classic risk vs reward scenario that was in balance.

The obstacles facing teams of miners required clever solutions and teamwork that were fun to overcome.





Look at mining now. It's all about multiboxers and bots. There is no interaction and no need for interaction.

The mining ships have such large ore holds to where teamwork isn't even necessary. Do you see haulers and tractor beams like you used to? Not in Umokka.

And the only risk you have to mitigate is the risk of a gank... which is just a decision whether to have tank modules or not.

I think the mining career is much less fun and interesting as a result of the removal of choices and risk from the game.

Mining seems like it has become a single player mini-game to me.


Bring back the old can-flipping mechanics and nerf those nasty miners,
Mo

what risk do can flippers and gankers have?

That of someone blowing them up when they're suspect or criminal?

so just as much risk as miners then

I would support removing ore bays from mining ships... If at the same patch all combat oriented ships will lose ability to carry additional ammo.

Just imagine: all ammo you have is loaded in your guns. You count each shot - you can deplete your ammo before enemy is dead. No wasted ammo on empty pods, no shots 'into air'. Shoot like sniper: every bullet should hit target for maximum damage.

Suddenly PvP becomes a lot more interesting? Isn't it?

That doesn't fit at all.
The special cargobays weren't there 99% of the game's lifetime.


They absolutely did remove choices and gameplay,
but I guess they had to make miners happy at some point.

It's important for every government to keep it's cettle happy ...
... well, just enough so they might whine a little, but keep working anyway.


Reality... fascinating.

I solo jetcan mined until the first time I got can-flipped. I immediately realized the reward did not outweigh the risk, and bought a second account.

So, from my perspective, the only thing that changed was that I no longer require a minimum of two EvE accounts in order to mine solo.

As far as group mining goes, nothing has changed (based on how I play).

Icemining in a venture? I dont remember that. When were that possible?

Maybe my english isnt good enough. What am i missing?

Edit. Ok, now i get it.