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Picking fights (collaboratively)
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Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-04-08 02:51:52 UTC
After this last return to the game, I found picking fights in high sec harder than it used to be.

I play in a mission hub called Umokka. There are a few miners. It's sleepier than I remember.

I'm struggling to get people to "red box."

Can baiting almost doesn't work anymore. I've had very limited success with mission baiting

Tossing cans and driving around flashing yellow is both very dangerous and ineffective, I spent most of a day doing that to no avail.

Duel requests have proven generally crap for me. I was about to give up again when I saw one of my old pvp buddies. He and I staged a fake fight and inspired some locals.


Here is the one thing that still works: smack talk.

Specifically, get a buddy and stage a very uninformed fight/argument in local channel. Acting like a moron is good, people enjoy shooting at morons. People will get drawn into the drama(or pushed from the grind of PVE) and before you know it you'll be getting fights and drawing spectators.

I advise that you should keep it fun for all involved, and the funnier and stupider you are the better chance you have of getting a fight. Make sure you aren't flying a nice ship, it's not believable.

If you want to fight, you have to create an adversary. Local is a powerful tool for creating drama and inspiration for fighting.


What tricks do the rest of you have to share for getting fights? I shared what's working for me. Let's collaborate!
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2015-04-08 06:07:36 UTC
Killing the people baiting has become less work than actually baiting sadly.
Duel people that you see sending out duels Or accepting.
Find a large group trying to kill suspects or criminals and duel them all.
Hull tank suspect baiting.
Last moment criminal pod loss baiting, make sure your clone is in the desired station.
War.

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3 - 2015-04-08 07:01:00 UTC
There is a guy doing it very well in Osmon, goes suspect in a freighter outside the SOE station, then they decide to shoot him with a mission ship and he docks up and comes out with a Proteus and his neutral RR's and kills them, I think that is actually more fun than can baiting, though he did lose a freighter once when someone bumped him off the station, he certainly had some skin in that game...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-04-08 11:46:19 UTC
Don Purple wrote:
Killing the people baiting has become less work than actually baiting sadly.
Duel people that you see sending out duels Or accepting.
Find a large group trying to kill suspects or criminals and duel them all.
Hull tank suspect baiting.
Last moment criminal pod loss baiting, make sure your clone is in the desired station.
War.


+1 for pod loss baiting. I never thought of that. Good ideas.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#5 - 2015-04-08 11:50:56 UTC
Hmmm.

Umokka you say?

Flashy yellow you say?

Hmmm.

Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-04-08 11:57:54 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Hmmm.

Umokka you say?

Flashy yellow you say?

Hmmm.

Bear



Yeah, I'm trying to learn to do the pvp.

Any tips on how I could learn it? I can fly up to a battleship!
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#7 - 2015-04-09 00:32:50 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Hmmm.

Umokka you say?

Flashy yellow you say?

Hmmm.

Bear



Yeah, I'm trying to learn to do the pvp.

Any tips on how I could learn it? I can fly up to a battleship!

Patience. Mission flipping is hit and miss. I've gone 3-5 days with no bites, while actively trying for 3-4 hours each day. It's a pretty autistic way of killing things, but can result in some glorious killmails. If you want to flip, just keep at it.

HTFU
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#8 - 2015-04-09 01:44:07 UTC
Personally I find linking crappy fit blingy domi mission fits in local and asking for fitting help while I salvage in a self named domi brings all the can flippers. Their tears are glorious. But that's probably the opposite of what you're trying to do. Honestly incursus looting their wrecks... someone put out a guide for this. But honestly the ninjas cry harder then the mission runners. And the mission runners pay for killing them !!

PS linking 2bil isk domi fits once had the added bonus of earning me a half dozen or more kill rights cause nobody scanned the fit...

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Valkin Mordirc
#9 - 2015-04-09 02:16:53 UTC
You can always suspect bait on a trade hub, it works heavily around engagement timers, basically you want to get so that your suspect timers runs out you still have a limited engagement timer with one person you can kill. Like say you bait with a bait tanked Tengu. People start shooting at you, you pick out a target, like say a dragoon or something, and you play you timers to a point where when exit suspect, you still have a timer with the dragoon. Sometimes you'll still have a timer with a few others, but basically you just up ship to something that can kill your target quickly and still live for a minute after you take him out.
#DeleteTheWeak
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-04-09 02:32:04 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You can always suspect bait on a trade hub, it works heavily around engagement timers, basically you want to get so that your suspect timers runs out you still have a limited engagement timer with one person you can kill. Like say you bait with a bait tanked Tengu. People start shooting at you, you pick out a target, like say a dragoon or something, and you play you timers to a point where when exit suspect, you still have a timer with the dragoon. Sometimes you'll still have a timer with a few others, but basically you just up ship to something that can kill your target quickly and still live for a minute after you take him out.


Ship up from tengu to something that can sucessfully kill a Dragoon stupid enough to fire at said bait tengu on hub.

Any more expert advice?
Valkin Mordirc
#11 - 2015-04-09 02:49:00 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You can always suspect bait on a trade hub, it works heavily around engagement timers, basically you want to get so that your suspect timers runs out you still have a limited engagement timer with one person you can kill. Like say you bait with a bait tanked Tengu. People start shooting at you, you pick out a target, like say a dragoon or something, and you play you timers to a point where when exit suspect, you still have a timer with the dragoon. Sometimes you'll still have a timer with a few others, but basically you just up ship to something that can kill your target quickly and still live for a minute after you take him out.


Ship up from tengu to something that can sucessfully kill a Dragoon stupid enough to fire at said bait tengu on hub.

Any more expert advice?



No that pretty much the jest of it? Why do you have problems comprehending it? =3
#DeleteTheWeak
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#12 - 2015-04-09 05:52:21 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You can always suspect bait on a trade hub, it works heavily around engagement timers, basically you want to get so that your suspect timers runs out you still have a limited engagement timer with one person you can kill. Like say you bait with a bait tanked Tengu. People start shooting at you, you pick out a target, like say a dragoon or something, and you play you timers to a point where when exit suspect, you still have a timer with the dragoon. Sometimes you'll still have a timer with a few others, but basically you just up ship to something that can kill your target quickly and still live for a minute after you take him out.


Ship up from tengu to something that can sucessfully kill a Dragoon stupid enough to fire at said bait tengu on hub.

Any more expert advice?

Let me underline for you the part you did not read

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-09 06:47:25 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You can always suspect bait on a trade hub, it works heavily around engagement timers, basically you want to get so that your suspect timers runs out you still have a limited engagement timer with one person you can kill. Like say you bait with a bait tanked Tengu. People start shooting at you, you pick out a target, like say a dragoon or something, and you play you timers to a point where when exit suspect, you still have a timer with the dragoon. Sometimes you'll still have a timer with a few others, but basically you just up ship to something that can kill your target quickly and still live for a minute after you take him out.


Ship up from tengu to something that can sucessfully kill a Dragoon stupid enough to fire at said bait tengu on hub.

Any more expert advice?

Let me underline for you the part you did not read


Thanks for helping me out station-camping-king. Forgot thats all you guys do. Please discuss what is the preferred ship to kill a Dagoon on a station oh station-camper-champion
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-04-09 07:07:17 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You can always suspect bait on a trade hub, it works heavily around engagement timers, basically you want to get so that your suspect timers runs out you still have a limited engagement timer with one person you can kill. Like say you bait with a bait tanked Tengu. People start shooting at you, you pick out a target, like say a dragoon or something, and you play you timers to a point where when exit suspect, you still have a timer with the dragoon. Sometimes you'll still have a timer with a few others, but basically you just up ship to something that can kill your target quickly and still live for a minute after you take him out.


Ship up from tengu to something that can sucessfully kill a Dragoon stupid enough to fire at said bait tengu on hub.

Any more expert advice?

Let me underline for you the part you did not read


Thanks for helping me out station-camping-king. Forgot thats all you guys do. Please discuss what is the preferred ship to kill a Dagoon on a station oh station-camper-champion



Ok, so you ragged on the guy who gave good advice.

Then someone helped you understand you were wrong, so you insulted his playstyle.

-1000 cool points.

I hope Veers comes for you.
Valkin Mordirc
#15 - 2015-04-09 07:36:37 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You can always suspect bait on a trade hub, it works heavily around engagement timers, basically you want to get so that your suspect timers runs out you still have a limited engagement timer with one person you can kill. Like say you bait with a bait tanked Tengu. People start shooting at you, you pick out a target, like say a dragoon or something, and you play you timers to a point where when exit suspect, you still have a timer with the dragoon. Sometimes you'll still have a timer with a few others, but basically you just up ship to something that can kill your target quickly and still live for a minute after you take him out.


Ship up from tengu to something that can sucessfully kill a Dragoon stupid enough to fire at said bait tengu on hub.

Any more expert advice?

Let me underline for you the part you did not read


Thanks for helping me out station-camping-king. Forgot thats all you guys do. Please discuss what is the preferred ship to kill a Dagoon on a station oh station-camper-champion



I don't station bait. I just know how it works. Your probably an alt, but You should at least have a decent K/b before talking ****

More so,Since we all,Have a better KB then you,

That or we just have the balls to post with mains.Lol
#DeleteTheWeak
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#16 - 2015-04-09 08:38:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You can always suspect bait on a trade hub, it works heavily around engagement timers, basically you want to get so that your suspect timers runs out you still have a limited engagement timer with one person you can kill. Like say you bait with a bait tanked Tengu. People start shooting at you, you pick out a target, like say a dragoon or something, and you play you timers to a point where when exit suspect, you still have a timer with the dragoon. Sometimes you'll still have a timer with a few others, but basically you just up ship to something that can kill your target quickly and still live for a minute after you take him out.


Ship up from tengu to something that can sucessfully kill a Dragoon stupid enough to fire at said bait tengu on hub.

Any more expert advice?

Let me underline for you the part you did not read


Thanks for helping me out station-camping-king. Forgot thats all you guys do. Please discuss what is the preferred ship to kill a Dagoon on a station oh station-camper-champion

In the future I give you full permission to browse mine and my ALT trosken neirfallas KB before making an idiot of yourself.

Your friend, Noragen

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2015-04-09 09:04:17 UTC
Well, I suppose that's one way to pick a fight...

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#18 - 2015-04-09 11:41:57 UTC
Posting the obligatory 'Post with yer main or GTFO' post.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2015-04-09 12:30:57 UTC
fine... I'll leave.
Oh. wait.
Nevermind.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-04-09 13:13:59 UTC
Eve-kill says i have a 98.48 EFFICIENT rating. Thats almost good enough to join marmate huh? Oh ya your right, marmate dont station camp, what was i thinking.....
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