Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The ability to refit on the fly was an interesting concept when it saw limited use long ago, but it is game breaking now.

In high sec it results in the reward for winning a fight lessened because those losing their ships refit and store all the shinies in an untouchable 3rd party ship like an Orca. This allows players to gain more reward for using more powerful modules while drastically lessening the risk. Another issue is drone based ships having access to near limitless amounts of drones by refitting more from ships that have a corp hanger or their own cargo bay.

Where capital ships operate it breaks the balance of travel time effectiveness and combat effectiveness. Players fit for fast travel with the new warp speed low slots and if combat happens, immediately swap to full combat fit. Again, all the benefits of fast travel without the drawbacks of being caught without combat fit.

What I propose is all ships can no longer refit with any form of aggression. Capital ships can not refit unless they are docked or in range of a POS ship Maintenence array.

You basically just said you don't have a logical explanation for not supporting it.

Because it gives people an advantage, and those people beat you... it's "game breaking".

Shut up dude.

It's not game breaking. It's an advantage people get from having friends/allies/support using very big, expensive, useful ships.

(I'm not talking about the capitals, just the sub-cap PVP refitting. No opinion on capitals at the moment)

So just ignore how it breaks the balance of risk versus reward... Right. lol That was the same mentality of those who wanted to keep Skynet.

I'd probably limit the change to capitals being unable to refit from other capitals- the smb on a carrier can't fit another carrier in it after all, but I certainly agree with the sentiment of the OP in that its another old design of eve that has become a tactical loophole.

And I'd also limit the ability so you can't refit with aggression. It contributes to the swissarmy knife reputation of carriers specifically and detracts from making choices before getting into a fight. Just take everything with you and refit on the fly. Better to force disengagement or taking some time before th fight begins.

This may come as a surprise, but "I say this is game breaking" does not make it game breaking.

The ability to refit off carriers and supercarriers during combat is a huge part of what little utility they will retain post fozziesov, after all the other repeated frantic swings of the nerf bats they have received recently.

You are whining because an older, more skilled, richer group showed you how weak repeatedly whelping frigates and cruisers into a capital blob is, and you found it an unpleasant experience.

That does not make it game breaking, just unpleasant.

P.S: Risk vs Reward is a very broad concept. You can't just micro nitpick things and declare "this one bit isolated from all other circumstances means that the ship is massively OP and needs nerfs!"

I explained why. Also you are making massive assumptions why I brought this up which is false. Age matters not when refitting. Money in your wallet has nothing to do with refitting. It also just takes a few seconds to refit completely. No one has beat me in a dual using this exploit. Super capitals will be reimagined as per CCP. Normal capitals are still heavily used.

Your entire argument is based on lies.

Normal capitals are heavily used for the moment.

The June expansion strips them of much of their utility in terms of how they are used in groups.

You are arguing for proposed changes to be implemented in a future where the role of capitals is drastically different than current, arguing for it on the basis of current usage patterns, while ignoring the incoming changes.

P.S: Just because you don't like my arguments hardly makes them lies. If you act like an asshat on the forum, be prepared for absolutely nobody to take you seriously.