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Battle Cruisers and destroyers (racial/not racial etc)

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kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#1 - 2015-04-08 10:12:59 UTC
i'm wondering what you guys think about training battlecruiser lvl 5 or destroyer lvl 5 (racial) after the change where they splitted from non racial.. to racial..And i'm curious how it make you guys feel?
(personally it's demotivating maby? i feel like not training it. because of that reson that some people did indeed only have to train battlecruiser/destroyer once. so, yeah. idk what to say.
(this is no way meant to be any ''tears/rage'' thing.
:)
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-04-08 10:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
hmmm .... sounds like sneaky tears to me...

"Older players dont have to train 4 racial skills *sniff*"

.... yup tears

Edit: also ... BC and destroyers are still worth the extra train... and is actually faster if you dont want to train amarr as a caldari player (for example)

No Worries

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#3 - 2015-04-08 10:29:12 UTC
It makes me feel smug and very satisfied to have trained BC and Destroyers to level 5 prior to the change. In fact, it is a driving force behind my superiority complex. I saved so much time training those skills once compared to what lowly newbies have to go through now. I don't know how you manage to even play the game now after that change.


How does it make you feel OP?

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Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#4 - 2015-04-08 10:32:29 UTC
Anyone around before the change should have trained them if they were smart. A few people made alts and trained them just to sell them after IIRC. If you didnt because you didnt want to or whatever.... tough.

New players are a little different, for you its always been that way. Just because a change happened a year before you started playing doesnt mean it should all revert back, EVE moves forward. if you want all BC's at level 5 train them. If you dont, then dont. Fact is there are now 4 skills for dessy and BC. And unless CCP decide to change it thats the way it will stay.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
#5 - 2015-04-08 10:54:40 UTC
The question is why would you train BC to 5 as they stand now.
Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-04-08 11:06:59 UTC
Because command ships are so pretty? And they are going to get to warp faster in the next expansion?
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#7 - 2015-04-08 11:07:08 UTC
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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-04-08 11:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Ria Nieyli wrote:
The question is why would you train BC to 5 as they stand now.


Instablap Tornado's.....

Edit Shocked theres a skill discussion forum!!....

No Worries

Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#9 - 2015-04-08 11:09:48 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
The question is why would you train BC to 5 as they stand now.


freightergank talos
instablap tornado
pos bash oracle
the naga though..... meh
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-04-08 12:12:51 UTC
I have destroyer 5 and Battle cruiser 5 for all 4 because I had them from before the change Big smile. You jelly?
My alts do not though but meh, It only really matters if you plan to cross train everything like I am doing.

I had the command ships trained before you were required to train all those leadership skills as well, So even though I can pilot all the command ships I can't really master them yet.Sad
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-04-08 15:06:35 UTC
Xylem Viliana wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
The question is why would you train BC to 5 as they stand now.


freightergank talos
instablap tornado
pos bash oracle
the naga though..... meh

Don't forget Commandships.

I don't mind the chance, is it more work now? Yes. But it also makes sense this way. And if you don't see the need for it, then don't train them to 5.. problem solved.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#12 - 2015-04-08 15:38:00 UTC
It was kind of odd before, that the skill helped all races. I mean, there isn't a Frigate V that helps all races, nor a Battleship V that helps all races. Those kind of skills are more of the T2 variety. Like Logistics V, Command ships V, etc. etc.
But: It was odd in a good way, so I trained it early on, even though all I flew was a Drake at the time.

That was then, and this is now.
If you want an average/sub-par BC, just train it to IV.
If you want the best BC you can field, you better train the skill to V.
Chances are, the guy shooting at you has his trained to V.
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#13 - 2015-04-08 16:06:11 UTC
Well, for older players that have destroyer lvl 5 (before split) witch means now (when) the different t3 destroyers come out they can directly start training the t3 destroyers. So, personally it have just ended up with that I don't bother training that skills (that was only 2 skills before) more than necessarily (like, to unlock battleships 'etc) I could've trained it if it still was 1 skill (not racial) (to lvl 5) but its not. :P

( Pirate )
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#14 - 2015-04-08 17:02:25 UTC
What were the prerequisites before the change? Now you need to have racial cruiser to lvl 3, did you need them all to lvl 3 back then? And if you didn't have them trained, did you also those bumped up? Something I just thought of and was curious Big smile
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-08 18:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
What were the prerequisites before the change? Now you need to have racial cruiser to lvl 3, did you need them all to lvl 3 back then? And if you didn't have them trained, did you also those bumped up? Something I just thought of and was curious Big smile


iirc, the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills just required a certain level of Spaceship Command, then the ships required both levels in Battlecruiser/Destroyer and the racial Cruiser/Frigate
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-04-08 19:03:52 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
What were the prerequisites before the change? Now you need to have racial cruiser to lvl 3, did you need them all to lvl 3 back then? And if you didn't have them trained, did you also those bumped up? Something I just thought of and was curious Big smile


iirc, the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills just required a certain level of Spaceship Command, then the ships required both levels in Battlecruiser/Destroyer and the racial Cruiser/Frigate

Correct. Dessy and BC skills required only Spaceship Command, so you could train them whenever.
But the Hull itself required lvl4 of the Racial Cruiser skill (and the skills needed to get to it..)

So you could have BCV and be unable to fly any BC's :)
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#17 - 2015-04-08 21:40:50 UTC
Ahh cool, thanks for the clarification Smile
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#18 - 2015-04-10 05:44:26 UTC
I didn't like the change at the time and I still don't like it now. I thought then (and still think) that having race-agnostic ship options was a great way to introduce players to the strengths and weaknesses of other races without much commitment.

However, that's gone and it's likely to stay gone. Under the current system you're mad not to train ship command skills you use to 5 regardless of how things used to be. Ship bonuses are huge compared to most skills. If you can't muster up the motivation be prepared to be shredded by those who can.