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What makes a hub, a hub? (A discussion topic)

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Komatose
White Wolf Industry
#21 - 2015-03-27 23:30:59 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
With the incoming changes to player owned structures everyone is free to build and stock a new market hub even in highsec and attract players by a low tax rate. Good luck with that.



Thats just going to be another way for people to make money if they have a big enough corp. For single/small groups it wont do much. If you put up a place with a good / cheap tax rate, someone will come, pop it, and take it like they did with Poco's. Any poco worth a **** is taken by a big corp because no one can stop them. (Sweeping generalisation, but for the most part true) Unless they find a way for the 'little guy' to be able to defend himself its not going to change, rich = richer all that. :)
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#22 - 2015-03-28 00:56:06 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
With the incoming changes to player owned structures everyone is free to build and stock a new market hub even in highsec and attract players by a low tax rate. Good luck with that.




Depends upon the consequences of station destruction.

There's thirty trillion on sell orders in Jita now, but it would not surprise me if there's assets in the station worth a quadrillion or more.

I would be stunned if there are fewer than a trillion units of Trit in hangars there for one, or fewer than a hundred thousand battleship hulls or a quarter million battlecruiser hulls from Tiericide.

Would you move that to a destructible station?

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Oxide Ammar
#23 - 2015-03-28 07:48:33 UTC
NPC station destruction in hisec won't happen for million reasons, from the looks of CCP inputs in the Fanfest and forums they won't do such thing, even in lowsec but they were targeting nullsec audience.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#24 - 2015-03-28 08:39:02 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
NPC station destruction in hisec won't happen for million reasons, from the looks of CCP inputs in the Fanfest and forums they won't do such thing, even in lowsec but they were targeting nullsec audience.



I was talking to player-built station (market hub station) destruction, if hubs are placeable in highsec.

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Komatose
White Wolf Industry
#25 - 2015-03-28 10:18:36 UTC
Yeah,

I only see this whole 'station placing' thing helping 'the big guys' because at best they get loot, at worst they get to blow somthing up and suck up carebear tears :D
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
#26 - 2015-03-29 17:41:02 UTC
adriaans wrote:
On the topic of tradehubs, can someone explain how/why Rens came about? I have lived in Minmatar space for several years now and Rens still doesn't make any sense to me...(From pvp, pve, trading, and manufacturing sides) there are so many better places. Also unlike most other hubs Rens is NOT in the station that has manufacturing slots.
It is too far away from the best mission agents, it is likewise too far from low sec to quickly go and get a missing module etc.
The only thing it -might- have going for it is that it is closer to Derelik and Devoid regions, but those are rather dead regions.


I can't answer your question, but the Republic is a bit odd in regards to trade hubs, as it's the only of the 4 empires to feature two more or less equal hubs: Rens and Hek.

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capn Hicks
FutureCorp.
#27 - 2015-03-29 22:41:05 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Sequester Risalo wrote:
With the incoming changes to player owned structures everyone is free to build and stock a new market hub even in highsec and attract players by a low tax rate. Good luck with that.




Depends upon the consequences of station destruction.

There's thirty trillion on sell orders in Jita now, but it would not surprise me if there's assets in the station worth a quadrillion or more.

I would be stunned if there are fewer than a trillion units of Trit in hangars there for one, or fewer than a hundred thousand battleship hulls or a quarter million battlecruiser hulls from Tiericide.

Would you move that to a destructible station?



There actually was a booming trade hub in nullsec in GE-8JV, it had almost as much traffic as the top highsec hubs... but PL came and hit it, causing importers/sellers to pack things up and get to the nearest highsec station.

Market confidence was lost and the once booming market place is now bone dry.

So yeah even if a player owned market hub had 0 taxes, the issue of the station suddenly exploding is gonna keep traders in Jita
Halatosi
White Wolf Industry
#28 - 2015-03-30 00:01:17 UTC
capn Hicks wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Sequester Risalo wrote:
With the incoming changes to player owned structures everyone is free to build and stock a new market hub even in highsec and attract players by a low tax rate. Good luck with that.




Depends upon the consequences of station destruction.

There's thirty trillion on sell orders in Jita now, but it would not surprise me if there's assets in the station worth a quadrillion or more.

I would be stunned if there are fewer than a trillion units of Trit in hangars there for one, or fewer than a hundred thousand battleship hulls or a quarter million battlecruiser hulls from Tiericide.

Would you move that to a destructible station?



There actually was a booming trade hub in nullsec in GE-8JV, it had almost as much traffic as the top highsec hubs... but PL came and hit it, causing importers/sellers to pack things up and get to the nearest highsec station.

Market confidence was lost and the once booming market place is now bone dry.

So yeah even if a player owned market hub had 0 taxes, the issue of the station suddenly exploding is gonna keep traders in Jita


+1

I would drop the money to put down a POS and a non or near non existant tax rate, but the simple fact that any corp/alliance that felt like it could come take it down prevents me from wanting to. Why try when it will end like Poco's? Most if not all 'good' ones go to he with the most firepower. Perhaps instead ones that get put up could be bought and sold like real-estate, and if the account for the 'owner' lapses for more than X time, it goes up for 'auction' by Concord.

It would also adress a problem, ISK sinks, Becausethe money in the auction goes to concord its removed from game. :)

Just a idea.
Naitrayera
Arthashastra
#29 - 2015-03-30 17:18:22 UTC
To throw in my 1 unit of pyerite....
I am the "little guy" the OP mentiones and i would like to report that its going prety well for me in one of large hubs and neighbouring regions that i treat like "personal hubs" ( like the system and connection i set up orders there and they get full )...
If someone richer would make and effort i thing Baviasi could blossom into mini-hub over time, but thats just me.

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#30 - 2015-03-30 18:52:08 UTC
Naitrayera wrote:

If someone richer would make and effort i thing Baviasi could blossom into mini-hub over time, but thats just me.


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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#31 - 2015-03-31 11:00:34 UTC
GankYou wrote:
There isn't enough new pilots to establish a new hub today, as Jita-Amarr is ingrained deep within the community, so much so it becomes a self-perpetuating mechanism.

To create a new major place of trade you need untainted minds, otherwise it will revert back to square one. You have to also remember that people generally value their time and value their money - a competitive hub would have to consistently post prices lower than in Jita-Amarr on high volume, because for the majority of Eve, a few 100,000 ISK difference makes... all the difference where to shop. Blink

Another thing to consider is that the other hubs, such as Rens, Hek and Dodixie are all cut off from Jita-Amarr vein by Low Security space. if one has the route planner set to Shortest/Default, which again the majority of Eve will have.

Tama is between Jita & Dodixie, Rancer lies en route from Hek to Jita, while Amarr is separated by Huola/The Bleak Lands from Rens, Hek & Dodixie.

Using the High Sec setting adds five systems to Amarr-Hek route and nine jumps to Amarr-Rens. Smile


I understand why so many ships get blown up at Tama now then. Smile

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Priest Amarr
Temple's Gate
#32 - 2015-04-08 11:11:53 UTC
Komatose wrote:
So you feel that the ones we have are all we will ever have then?

I feel that there are places that could use more, but at the same time, I have heard many people complain about how there is no (Paraphrasing here) "REal way for anyone new to enter into trading or industry" I have found a couple profitable things but as of yet I am not making billions with it (Not really focusing 100% either though) But I can see how new traders feel overwhelmed when they look at the big hubs, and then try to sell somewhere else, they get messed up by the 'numbers game' seeing millions of one item being sold in one region and only hundreds or thousands in another.




Many many years ago, when I was some months old, I met a guy while I was mining. We started talking (his eve age was even younger than mine) and I ended up donating him few millions out of goodwill. No expectations, I just said take this money it will help you making a good start. A month later I found 400 million in my wallet and a letter saying he gave this game a shot but it's not for him and he was leaving for good, since I was kind and generous to him, I could inherit all this net worth. Now this was before the time of Plex, but there were ISK traders around so he probably bought that ISK.

Eve is a difficult place and selfishness is always promoted, but beginning of my story points out, good deeds may pay off (sometimes). I took that 400M and used it for trading eventually. I made billions out of it, and I was a newcomer. If the market is impossible to enter now, it was impossible to enter back then too. If you think that 400 million was the key, No... you can invest few dollars today, buy a single plex to sell and still enter the market in case thats the issue. Reality is, options were more limited in the past.

Here is the Key: I roamed a lot and memorized all the prices. It's not only about security levels. You gotta travel the universe and have a clear understanding in your mind what the price differences are, what the current issues, and needs. When you have a clear picture, you can make very handsome profits, more than anybody ever believed newcomers can do so. You gotta know the universe you live in though, you need to invest in this knowledge.

Answer the other part of your question: There may be new hubs to emerge, but yes the historic hubs will always be the main ones unless something changes and Jita's surrounding becomes low sec and invaded. Just as NY Stock Exchange will always be NYSE. If trading there is difficult, creating a new major stock exchange (hub) is even more to do so. That doesn't mean Null sec hubs don't work but they have their own nature, the rules of trading are very different than secure major hubs there. You can't create a new Jita in null sec. Null sec won't have a "healthy" market, but it can bring you a good profit if you can satisfy the nature of null sec business.
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