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Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
#1 - 2015-04-08 10:10:20 UTC
I think we have all seen the gradual reduction in player numbers online...if it continues eve will certainly be dead within a few years. CCP are trying hard to get more new players and as ever they have a hard time keeping them. I know the internet is the natural home to trolls and cyberbullys and a great number of them migrate to eve. Its harsh unforgiving nature is manna to them.

I have been looking at the metrics and trying a little out of the box thinking, and am sorry to say that i believe the largest single reason for non player retention is P.L.. I respect and understand that the a 'lete' (lol) but their continual clubbing of baby seals is bad for eve in many ways. I believe they will cry longest and loudest when eve finaly is closed even though they are the major cause.

Case in point; the continual campaign against brave newbies, for the simple reason that the result is obvious before the start , they will win. If it ever looks like they wont then they just drop the supers. Now that they have won they are spinning' woops didn't want that win..wheres our content gone?' In doing so they have driven ( by my estimate 18,000 accounts from the game). I know a lot of those accounts would have quit anyways but feel a good proportion would have continued in game if they felt that they could actualy achieve something worthwhile. PL need to grow up and if they want content attack someone who can put up a fight.

As much as i hate to say this, i believe that the best way to fight PL (unless you are the goons or maybe N3 ) is to deny them content. That is not to fight them ever, Let them take all your sov, kill your POS. just never fight them. They will get bored and go away. If everyone treats them like the bullies they are hopefully they will leave eve and allow new players a chance to play on their own terms thereby allowing the game population to grow and us all to enjoy eve for years to come.

Discuss

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2015-04-08 10:14:01 UTC
175,000 unique users per day on average
420,000 unique users per month on average

Those aren't numbers we see often. We only see the change in the peak concurrent users online.

We also don't see the total number of active accounts.

So who knows if eve is dying or not? Seems to have been dying for a long time already.
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-04-08 10:15:12 UTC
Shocked

You mean... Eve... is dyin'... because PL... kills it?

Mystery solved! Cool

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4 - 2015-04-08 10:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Gimme Sake wrote:
[ because PL... kills it?]

Lquid/Anna seem to be killing it the most right now.

Although civil war might be fun.
Aphsala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-04-08 10:26:19 UTC
well your crap post killed my humor
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#6 - 2015-04-08 10:27:18 UTC
HERO Coalition decided to build their sandcastle in sov null. If not PL then one of the other coalitions would have knocked it down at some point. It is incorrect to call PL bullies in this respect, afterall they are just playing the game as intended.

Now, if you'd taken a different tack and suggested that Dominion sov encourages coward play styles (coalitions, NIPS & NAPS) such that any new entrant to sov null is preyed upon for content, then I'd have agreed with you. Thankfully, CCP have recognized this problem too.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-04-08 10:29:25 UTC
Prt Scr wrote:

Case in point; the continual campaign against brave newbies, for the simple reason that the result is obvious before the start , they will win. If it ever looks like they wont then they just drop the supers.


Regardless of personal views about PL or Brave, no-one should be permitted a free pass "just because". It was Brave's choice to step in to the nullsec game, so it is entirely on their shoulders to survive it. "Expecting" to be left alone "because of the newbies" is a frankly pathetic standpoint, and anyone seriously argueing it should be ashamed of themselves. What pride is there in living in null if you are only there because everyone else "lets you" because they are made to "feel bad" if they take a swing at you. Other newbie-welcoming organisations have existed in null, and each of them had to man up and deal with the Lions and Wolves in their turn; some of them lived, some of them died, and that's how it should be.

It was far from a forgone conclusion with Brave, but they misplayed some of the hands they were dealt, I suspect, largely because they thought they would "be left alone because they are special". Well, newsflash, they aren't and they weren't. Now they have to pick it up, dust themselves down, and get back in the game if they have the stomach. And if they don't have the stomach, well, they wouldn't have been worth "leaving alone" anyway.

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As much as i hate to say this, i believe that the best way to fight PL (unless you are the goons or maybe N3 ) is to deny them content. That is not to fight them ever, Let them take all your sov, kill your POS. just never fight them. They will get bored and go away. If everyone treats them like the bullies they are hopefully they will leave eve and allow new players a chance to play on their own terms thereby allowing the game population to grow and us all to enjoy eve for years to come.


This has literally never worked. Time and again its used as the tactic by organisations that went and died. Literally, the only way to fight an organisation like PL (or BL, or ourselves) is to stand up, and give em a black eye. Show them you wont be pushed around, and that you have worth on the nullsec scene. Sure, you might not be able to take a fight full-on, but some organisations have notoriously glass jaws, and a good solid punch can remind them they other more pressing things to be doing.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#8 - 2015-04-08 10:31:16 UTC
Prt Scr wrote:
I think we have all seen the gradual reduction in player numbers online...if it continues eve will certainly be dead within a few years. CCP are trying hard to get more new players and as ever they have a hard time keeping them. I know the internet is the natural home to trolls and cyberbullys and a great number of them migrate to eve. Its harsh unforgiving nature is manna to them.

I have been looking at the metrics and trying a little out of the box thinking, and am sorry to say that i believe the largest single reason for non player retention is P.L.. I respect and understand that the a 'lete' (lol) but their continual clubbing of baby seals is bad for eve in many ways. I believe they will cry longest and loudest when eve finaly is closed even though they are the major cause.

Case in point; the continual campaign against brave newbies, for the simple reason that the result is obvious before the start , they will win. If it ever looks like they wont then they just drop the supers. Now that they have won they are spinning' woops didn't want that win..wheres our content gone?' In doing so they have driven ( by my estimate 18,000 accounts from the game). I know a lot of those accounts would have quit anyways but feel a good proportion would have continued in game if they felt that they could actualy achieve something worthwhile. PL need to grow up and if they want content attack someone who can put up a fight.

As much as i hate to say this, i believe that the best way to fight PL (unless you are the goons or maybe N3 ) is to deny them content. That is not to fight them ever, Let them take all your sov, kill your POS. just never fight them. They will get bored and go away. If everyone treats them like the bullies they are hopefully they will leave eve and allow new players a chance to play on their own terms thereby allowing the game population to grow and us all to enjoy eve for years to come.

Discuss


HERO tears best tears?

PL, stop killing Eve you bullies!

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Candi LeMew
Division 13
#9 - 2015-04-08 10:34:58 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Gimme Sake wrote:
[ because PL... kills it?]

Lquid/Anna seem to be killing it the most right now.

I'd ask Jester to weigh in on this.

But not even he will post in GD. I think that tells us something.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#10 - 2015-04-08 10:46:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Prt Scr wrote:
I think we have all seen the gradual reduction in player numbers online...if it continues eve will certainly be dead within a few years. CCP are trying hard to get more new players and as ever they have a hard time keeping them. I know the internet is the natural home to trolls and cyberbullys and a great number of them migrate to eve. Its harsh unforgiving nature is manna to them.

I have been looking at the metrics and trying a little out of the box thinking, and am sorry to say that i believe the largest single reason for non player retention is P.L.. I respect and understand that the a 'lete' (lol) but their continual clubbing of baby seals is bad for eve in many ways. I believe they will cry longest and loudest when eve finaly is closed even though they are the major cause.

Case in point; the continual campaign against brave newbies, for the simple reason that the result is obvious before the start , they will win. If it ever looks like they wont then they just drop the supers. Now that they have won they are spinning' woops didn't want that win..wheres our content gone?' In doing so they have driven ( by my estimate 18,000 accounts from the game). I know a lot of those accounts would have quit anyways but feel a good proportion would have continued in game if they felt that they could actualy achieve something worthwhile. PL need to grow up and if they want content attack someone who can put up a fight.

As much as i hate to say this, i believe that the best way to fight PL (unless you are the goons or maybe N3 ) is to deny them content. That is not to fight them ever, Let them take all your sov, kill your POS. just never fight them. They will get bored and go away. If everyone treats them like the bullies they are hopefully they will leave eve and allow new players a chance to play on their own terms thereby allowing the game population to grow and us all to enjoy eve for years to come.

Discuss


The #1 detractor for player numbers in EVE is player-created narrative about the supposed harshness of EVE and how you should play it. Seriously, people say/post so much trash towards other people it's unreal.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#11 - 2015-04-08 10:47:54 UTC
I'll just post this here for those
who don't know what's going on.

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#12 - 2015-04-08 10:48:43 UTC
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