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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#81 - 2015-04-07 18:28:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
This is the thing I do not get, you do not shoot stuff in a game which is really combat base
You are aware that shooting people is not the only form of combat in Eve aren't you?

Quote:
you make comments about others that shoot stuff, jumping in and offering your opinion and using insulting words and yet by the standard measure of the game you are nothing and have done nothing.
I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. I'm all in favour of people shooting at others, it drives one of the areas of the game I participate in, as such I comment.

I call it as I see it, if you don't act like an idiot I won't call you one.

By your standards I may well be a failure at Eve, fortunately for me I have my own standards, which aren't limited to the base level yours appear to be at.

Quote:
Maybe you have scammed loads of people in Jita,
I haven't but of what import would it be if I had?

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does that make you an expert in the PvP side of the game no.
Then it's a good job I've never claimed to be isn't it?

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Veers has shot people, he has a PvP record, you don't!
Whoopdefeckinwhoo the only thing that proves is that he can press F1, it doesn't make him an expert either.

I'm done conversing with you, find some other mug to fail at scoring points off.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#82 - 2015-04-07 19:25:46 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
This is the thing I do not get, you do not shoot stuff in a game which is really combat base
You are aware that shooting people is not the only form of combat in Eve aren't you?

Quote:
you make comments about others that shoot stuff, jumping in and offering your opinion and using insulting words and yet by the standard measure of the game you are nothing and have done nothing.
I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. I'm all in favour of people shooting at others, it drives one of the areas of the game I participate in, as such I comment.

I call it as I see it, if you don't act like an idiot I won't call you one.

By your standards I may well be a failure at Eve, fortunately for me I have my own standards, which aren't limited to the base level yours appear to be at.

Quote:
Maybe you have scammed loads of people in Jita,
I haven't but of what import would it be if i had?

Quote:
does that make you an expert in the PvP side of the game no.
Then it's a good job I've never claimed to be isn't it?

Quote:
Veers has shot people, he has a PvP record, you don't!
Whoopdefeckinwhoo the only thing that proves is that he can press F1, it doesn't make him an expert either.

I'm done conversing with you, find some other mug to fail at scoring points off.


I looked at Veers killboard, he has 1v1 combats in there, that is what real fights in Eve are all about?

You make comments as if you are someone who does these things, you do not, I don't care if you think I am an idiot, your words have no value, you express an opinion when you have no value at all. You call me an idiot to me its a compliment, if an idiot thinks you are an idiot, great!

You talk about PvP stuff and make sweeping dismissive comments as if you are an expert, you are not.

Of course you are done conversing with me, I called you out on what you are, simple as...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#83 - 2015-04-07 19:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mobadder Thworst
Leto Thule wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Is my posting seriously that bad, that you've confused me with Veers?


No.

No, hell no.

Dude I believe you'd get your ass kicked for saying something like that.



Looks like Leto has a case of the Mondays...
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2015-04-07 23:59:20 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Is my posting seriously that bad, that you've confused me with Veers?


No.

No, hell no.

Dude I believe you'd get your ass kicked for saying something like that.



Looks like Leto has a case of the Mondays...


Someone got it!!

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#85 - 2015-04-08 00:03:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
To comment on the convo between Jonah and the random guest from subforums unknown...

In EvE... The REAL wins don't show up on kill boards. Sure, combat is fun, and kill boards are a neat tool, but they don't measure things like intelligence ops, ransoms, thefts, scams, or whatever your flavor is.

To quote kniht...( a great director from ducks)... You are not your killboard. You are not your wallet. You are having fun, or you have already left.

Edit: 1v1 doesn't make you a boss PVP god. It means you fly kitey crap and only, ever, engage things you are certain to win over. That's not skill, its selective combat. Nothing against the guys who solo, but its their cup of tea, not the whole game's.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#86 - 2015-04-08 00:08:13 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
To comment on the convo between Jonah and the random guest from subforums unknown...

In EvE... The REAL wins don't show up on kill boards. Sure, combat is fun, and kill boards are a neat tool, but they don't measure things like intelligence ops, ransoms, thefts, scams, or whatever your flavor is.

To quote kniht...( a great director from ducks)... You are not your killboard. You are not your wallet. You are having fun, or you have already left.


This.

Also killboards show nothing of what you are doing and or have done, on your alts.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#87 - 2015-04-08 02:11:44 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
To comment on the convo between Jonah and the random guest from subforums unknown...

In EvE... The REAL wins don't show up on kill boards. Sure, combat is fun, and kill boards are a neat tool, but they don't measure things like intelligence ops, ransoms, thefts, scams, or whatever your flavor is.

To quote kniht...( a great director from ducks)... You are not your killboard. You are not your wallet. You are having fun, or you have already left.

Edit: 1v1 doesn't make you a boss PVP god. It means you fly kitey crap and only, ever, engage things you are certain to win over. That's not skill, its selective combat. Nothing against the guys who solo, but its their cup of tea, not the whole game's.



+1

Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#88 - 2015-04-08 03:44:04 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
To comment on the convo between Jonah and the random guest from subforums unknown...

In EvE... The REAL wins don't show up on kill boards. Sure, combat is fun, and kill boards are a neat tool, but they don't measure things like intelligence ops, ransoms, thefts, scams, or whatever your flavor is.

To quote kniht...( a great director from ducks)... You are not your killboard. You are not your wallet. You are having fun, or you have already left.

Edit: 1v1 doesn't make you a boss PVP god. It means you fly kitey crap and only, ever, engage things you are certain to win over. That's not skill, its selective combat. Nothing against the guys who solo, but its their cup of tea, not the whole game's.


What he said ^^^. The kb only shows what you have killed and lost..nothing else. It shows nothing of other achievements. Nor does your wallet. TBH, a kb is great, but it's just another way some like to wave their epeens and judge others because theirs is "bigger than yours". Shocked

What measures success more than a kb is what you have accomplished, what respect you have..be it from friends or enemies, and what difference you've made for someone elses eve experience...and let's not forget the most important thing...how much fun you've had. Cool

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#89 - 2015-04-08 05:32:01 UTC
That is so funny, we have a game where things explode, we have the self-important forum posters declare that this is not the most important thing in game, which is especially amusing as the person I was going after has no kills, and thinks he can post on matters related to PvP in which he does not partake. That was the point I was making, he was posting on a subject he knew nothing about.

That was was so amusing to read I will be chuckling all day over it, you guys have won Eve! Well at least the forum part of it.

Priceless, that was just so funny, quick upvote each other while you are it, LMAO.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#90 - 2015-04-08 05:56:24 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
That is so funny, we have a game where things explode, we have the self-important forum posters declare that this is not the most important thing in game, which is especially amusing as the person I was going after has no kills, and thinks he can post on matters related to PvP in which he does not partake. That was the point I was making, he was posting on a subject he knew nothing about.

That was was so amusing to read I will be chuckling all day over it, you guys have won Eve! Well at least the forum part of it.

Priceless, that was just so funny, quick upvote each other while you are it, LMAO.





What I find very odd is that they will kill everything that moves for no particular "reason", or do highsec agro fu to nail a fat bling boat, with no potential for high profit margin or purely on chance, and then in the forums claim that the killboard is not such a big deal.

I remember a day when a 1 month noob could fly lowsec and most players would have been ashamed to have a killboard full of month old T1s and pods.

Now it's common and when they are put to task as you have done, suddenly "we are not our killboards".


This raises another issue though. If the killboards are not important, then what meta-reason are they killing for?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#91 - 2015-04-08 06:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
That is so funny, we have a game where things explode, we have the self-important forum posters declare that this is not the most important thing in game, which is especially amusing as the person I was going after has no kills, and thinks he can post on matters related to PvP in which he does not partake. That was the point I was making, he was posting on a subject he knew nothing about.

That was was so amusing to read I will be chuckling all day over it, you guys have won Eve! Well at least the forum part of it.

Priceless, that was just so funny, quick upvote each other while you are it, LMAO.





What I find very odd is that they will kill everything that moves for no particular "reason", or do highsec agro fu to nail a fat bling boat, with no potential for high profit margin or purely on chance, and then in the forums claim that the killboard is not such a big deal.

I remember a day when a 1 month noob could fly lowsec and most players would have been ashamed to have a killboard full of month old T1s and pods.

Now it's common and when they are put to task as you have done, suddenly "we are not our killboards".


This raises another issue though. If the killboards are not important, then what meta-reason are they killing for?



Its also odd that they talk about carebears in a dismissive way, gathering ISK etc., and yet here they are saying that the killboard does not matter, the most amusing thing is their circle jerk of up votes on each other, its hilarious.

Jonah Gravensteain has over 23k upvotes, so he has won Eve, I also commented on the fact that as soon as he posted he had an upvote, which means he did it with an alt. I noted Kaarous doing the exact same thing.

I had so much fun pulling his chain and now they all proved what roaring hypocrites they all are, priceless, all we need now is one of their mods to come in and say off topic and delete the lot and we will have won Eve.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Sophie Mahler
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2015-04-08 07:39:47 UTC
just sayin

but it's only a game, relax, nobody got hurt

is it really so important, the loss of a virtual starship in a video game

games are meant to be played for fun, some of you guys clearly don't have fun, maybe because of ganking, but realize that despite ganking, others, plenty others still have loads of fun in EVE, so maybe it IS possible, despite CODE. being around, to have fun in this game.

So now there are few ways to go about it

1. cry and whine, and ask for the game to be changed to YOUR liking (which may or may not interfere with the way others actually do have fun with)

2. adapt and evolve

CCP already, I believe, made it clear that they don't see ganking as violation of their EULA
so this is not going away, deal with it.

so either adapt and evolve and find out other ways to have fun
either keep playing a *game* that is not fun to you (it's not supposed to be fun for everyone), which is pretty stupid, as games are meant to be fun

or just find another game to play; a game where you can actually have fun.

it's just sad to see people logging in even tho they don't have fun with the game anymore. sounds like something rather unhealthy to me.


The question is what YOU can do to have fun, DESPITE those setbacks

in life there's always setbacks, challenges to overcome, eve is no different

obviously, MANY people find lots of way to have fun despite CODE. being around, so it is YOU who complain, who are doing something wrong.


just trying to help

relax, it's just a freakin video game, you don't want to be that guy flipping out about a video game do you?
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#93 - 2015-04-08 07:45:08 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

Jonah Gravensteain has over 23k upvotes, so he has won Eve, I also commented on the fact that as soon as he posted he had an upvote, which means he did it with an alt. I noted Kaarous doing the exact same thing.


Can confirm I am Jonah's alt...

Either that or it made me chuckle a little and i liked it...

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#94 - 2015-04-08 08:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Jonah Gravensteain has over 23k upvotes, so he has won Eve, I also commented on the fact that as soon as he posted he had an upvote, which means he did it with an alt. I noted Kaarous doing the exact same thing.


Can confirm I am Jonah's alt...

Either that or it made me chuckle a little and i liked it...


Speaking of Marmite, I have 87 of your characters on my watch list, these are the ones we have spotted in space and have killed stuff recently and at the time that I post this there are 9 online. That made me chuckle and I like it...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#95 - 2015-04-08 08:34:11 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Jonah Gravensteain has over 23k upvotes, so he has won Eve, I also commented on the fact that as soon as he posted he had an upvote, which means he did it with an alt. I noted Kaarous doing the exact same thing.


Can confirm I am Jonah's alt...

Either that or it made me chuckle a little and i liked it...


Speaking of Marmite, I have 87 of your characters on my watch list, these are the ones we have spotted in space and have killed stuff recently and at the time that I post this there are 9 online. That made me chuckle and I like it...


So at the time of day that isn't quite AU prime time we have what 10% of our active member base online. Thank you sir for pointing that out. I'd like to direct you to our advert post so you can let everybody know we hunt tirelessly day and night for all our clients. Thanks for your support Big smile

Also while your bumping our ad for us with your positive review of this fine Alliance would you consider joining the collaborative effort being headed by Veers? If so contact him in game he is ensuing that every NewBro is shot in their first 15 days from what I hear. It's a big job and you seem good with numbers so maybe he could use your help? Look forward to hearing what this collaboration will bring.

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#96 - 2015-04-08 08:52:08 UTC
Sophie Mahler wrote:
just sayin

but it's only a game, relax, nobody got hurt

is it really so important, the loss of a virtual starship in a video game

games are meant to be played for fun, some of you guys clearly don't have fun, maybe because of ganking, but realize that despite ganking, others, plenty others still have loads of fun in EVE, so maybe it IS possible, despite CODE. being around, to have fun in this game.

So now there are few ways to go about it

1. cry and whine, and ask for the game to be changed to YOUR liking (which may or may not interfere with the way others actually do have fun with)

2. adapt and evolve

CCP already, I believe, made it clear that they don't see ganking as violation of their EULA
so this is not going away, deal with it.

so either adapt and evolve and find out other ways to have fun
either keep playing a *game* that is not fun to you (it's not supposed to be fun for everyone), which is pretty stupid, as games are meant to be fun

or just find another game to play; a game where you can actually have fun.

it's just sad to see people logging in even tho they don't have fun with the game anymore. sounds like something rather unhealthy to me.


The question is what YOU can do to have fun, DESPITE those setbacks

in life there's always setbacks, challenges to overcome, eve is no different

obviously, MANY people find lots of way to have fun despite CODE. being around, so it is YOU who complain, who are doing something wrong.


just trying to help

relax, it's just a freakin video game, you don't want to be that guy flipping out about a video game do you?


If you read the forums as I have done since I have been playing you will notice firstly how lame the forums are, I used to really enjoy reading C&P, now its an echo chamber for people who do not do anything in game. And yet they post as if they do, its rather sad. So all I am doing is having fun by pointing out that fact, if you think I am in anyway freaking out then I suggest you need to look at yourself.

In affect I just took an obvious pile of bull and flogged it to death for lols, and while doing so I had the pleasure of seeing them all talk like carebears, saying ISK generation is more important than blowing up stuff, it was pure pleasure for me.

CODE are content creators, they are fun, the setup is rather amusing and is fun to get in the way of, they are now rather ineffectual in terms of mining ships, they just kill noobs that are stupid, so they have moved off to do freighter ganks as part of Miniluv, they are very good at it and the struggles around a bumped freighter have been epic, some times they kill it and sometimes the AG group save it.

Marmite just camp hubs and pipes with fast locking ships and mainly kill noobs, they are very good at what they do, if you go after them with an organised fleet they run. I had a friend who was once a leader in the Orphanage and Marmite are effectively them but now, he liked talking about the approach, I listened to what he had to say. It is interesting to see just how fractured the hisec war deccers have become again.

So just chill out about people playing forum games, I had fun pulling the leg of someone I consider as full of hot air, nothing more than that, but if you want to see it as freakin out then that is your problem....

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#97 - 2015-04-08 08:57:26 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Jonah Gravensteain has over 23k upvotes, so he has won Eve, I also commented on the fact that as soon as he posted he had an upvote, which means he did it with an alt. I noted Kaarous doing the exact same thing.


Can confirm I am Jonah's alt...

Either that or it made me chuckle a little and i liked it...


Speaking of Marmite, I have 87 of your characters on my watch list, these are the ones we have spotted in space and have killed stuff recently and at the time that I post this there are 9 online. That made me chuckle and I like it...


So at the time of day that isn't quite AU prime time we have what 10% of our active member base online. Thank you sir for pointing that out. I'd like to direct you to our advert post so you can let everybody know we hunt tirelessly day and night for all our clients. Thanks for your support Big smile

Also while your bumping our ad for us with your positive review of this fine Alliance would you consider joining the collaborative effort being headed by Veers? If so contact him in game he is ensuing that every NewBro is shot in their first 15 days from what I hear. It's a big job and you seem good with numbers so maybe he could use your help? Look forward to hearing what this collaboration will bring.


You are good at what you do, simple as.

But talking about issues with people, what is your fixation with Veers, its because he says what he feels and has a different interpretation to the herd of people black slapping each other while doing nothing in game. He has big ones for standing up there for saying what he does and yet continues to do his incursions and make ISK and he does PvP its there on his killboard. I get the impression that you guys hate it that you cannot get him in game or drive him out of it, in which case Veers is winning Eve, enough said...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#98 - 2015-04-08 09:14:33 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Jonah Gravensteain has over 23k upvotes, so he has won Eve, I also commented on the fact that as soon as he posted he had an upvote, which means he did it with an alt. I noted Kaarous doing the exact same thing.


Can confirm I am Jonah's alt...

Either that or it made me chuckle a little and i liked it...


Speaking of Marmite, I have 87 of your characters on my watch list, these are the ones we have spotted in space and have killed stuff recently and at the time that I post this there are 9 online. That made me chuckle and I like it...


So at the time of day that isn't quite AU prime time we have what 10% of our active member base online. Thank you sir for pointing that out. I'd like to direct you to our advert post so you can let everybody know we hunt tirelessly day and night for all our clients. Thanks for your support Big smile

Also while your bumping our ad for us with your positive review of this fine Alliance would you consider joining the collaborative effort being headed by Veers? If so contact him in game he is ensuing that every NewBro is shot in their first 15 days from what I hear. It's a big job and you seem good with numbers so maybe he could use your help? Look forward to hearing what this collaboration will bring.


You are good at what you do, simple as.

But talking about issues with people, what is your fixation with Veers, its because he says what he feels and has a different interpretation to the herd of people black slapping each other while doing nothing in game. He has big ones for standing up there for saying what he does and yet continues to do his incursions and make ISK and he does PvP its there on his killboard. I get the impression that you guys hate it that you cannot get him in game or drive him out of it, in which case Veers is winning Eve, enough said...


Thankyou Smile. What do I do again?

He is leading this collaboration. I feel you are trying to down play what he is doing behind the scenes here. Is your intent to come here and besmirch all the good people of c&p?

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#99 - 2015-04-08 09:37:00 UTC
Confirming I do next to nothing in the game.
Also I am quite terrible at the things that I actually do.
If at any moment I appear to be competent I assure you of two things being true.
The first is that I am most likely severely intoxicated.
The second is that I'll likely not remember it due to the first thing.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#100 - 2015-04-08 09:42:04 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Thankyou Smile. What do I do again?

He is leading this collaboration. I feel you are trying to down play what he is doing behind the scenes here. Is your intent to come here and besmirch all the good people of c&p?


You tell me...

In all the time I have been in the Anti-Gank channel I have seen him in there once and he said hello and that was it. If that is organising it behind the scenes then I have to wonder.

Well as a long time reader of C&P I repeat that this forum is a mere shadow of what it was, most of the posters are like the one I had fun with, self-important windbags who do nothing in game. If telling the truth about the decline of this forum is an insult then feel free to take it that way.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp