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Why does caldari militia fail? Your viewsplease

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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#121 - 2011-12-24 10:16:10 UTC
I know i am not standart caldari leader ..... But it is same smack festival like everytime .... I am sorry to all caldari smackers .... Suck it up and adapt (i am. Rpeating that for 3rd time in my fw history .... And gods know it is for ******* loooong). And ignore messiahs ... Please just for this time (we had gavins, we had fgs and many others) ....


To caldari noobs ... Do not read all the walls .... Just ignore them and start thinking and flying and stop blindly following. I know it is hard and painful process but it helps if u r outgunned and outnumbered. Dont be ******* sitting ducks.
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#122 - 2011-12-24 12:12:02 UTC
4 days in the militia and I think I can comment now.

Oh dear, bad is not the word!

First of all, everyone is in 2-5 man corps, including me! Mostly the feeling is there is not good corps out there.

Hidden I wouldn't follow you if you paid me, not cause your a bad pilot, not cause you fit crappy fittings, it cause you have and are open about no honour. You've always said 1v1's is an excuse to gank people, and thats something most of us vets would never fly under.

I had assume when I joined there would be some corps who were like what WOLFY was, "stuck up their own arse doing their own thing!" But there really isn't. 4 Horse Men of the Apoc look the best on the killboard, but they try to get militia fleets together, and help people. Which is really nice!

The 3rd top killer this month in Militia is State Pro!

Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what, so the guy has done the right thing, he has ****** off and left you guys on your own! Hows that working out for ya?

You have, what I would class as leet players, Celes Apoc, 4Horse, and a few others desperate to get fleets together. But that desperation invites anyone to join and they happy to take them.

I've seen fights where small skirmishes have seen the caldari sitting on a gate, gallente warp in, in what could have gone either way, only for some caldari to jump, some caldari to warp away and some to fight. So the fair fight becomes a slaughter!

Yet I never seen any fall outs, and I later seen the same people in what looked like the same fleet!

Let me tell you a story, about WOLFY and the Gallente.

We HATED the militia. We looked at most of them with anger! They were based in high sec, would get raped by pirates as soon as they entered low sec, encouraged anyone and anything to join their fleets the when they got owned.

We lived in low sec, we roamed around in correct ships, with pilots who trusted their FC. We knew if someone F'ed up we would crucify them! I died once, ran back to station to come out again, grabbed the first fighting ship I seen, died again only to see a STAB on it! The abuse I got, I never made that mistake of not checking fitting before undock!

We knew we were not jolly little snowflakes, and we LEARNED!

And corps asked to fly with us, and we told them to feck off and die!

Then corps changed, QCATS, SOTF knew that to stop the abuse we gave them they had to step up. They may not agree and say it was simple progresion. But a long while later they even moved into the system we lived in.

We even asked for their help, some of our pilots started flying with them, and reports came back these guys were good. They formed a pack and started getting more kills than us! They controlled the pipes, so for us to get more kills we had to Tama and then the draw of beomcing pirates was just much! And thats where the story turned blinky red! Twisted

.

What I see in the Caldari is EVERYONE is a snowflake! No one can criticize without being called ASS. Damar tells them straight, without him they are nothing, yet he is abused so he fecks off, and he was right, without him they are nothing.

The "good" corps are desperate for fleet members and take anyone, only for them all to die. Thus the good pilots get fecked off and wither don't join or just become inactive.

So I say this to the corps in the Caldari Militia.

"Say you are leet, don't train the noobs by taking them out! Let them catch up to you! Become arses, tell people what they are doing wrong, its better to have 3-5 guys who know what they are doing rather than 10 who don't"

"1 Corp to take the lead, don't say you are, just do! Get enough members of your own corp and roam, and do stuff, let the other corps come up to that level rather than you come down to theirs.. Build a corp of brothers! Stop flying with the 3-5 man corps, tell them join you or tell them to do their own thing. I am a corp of 3. As soon as I see a corp doing it right you will have my sword and my application, but they don't exist just now. Final thing timezone, if you are a 20 man corp, you can only operate in one timezone! Having 20 members with 5 on EU prime, 5 on US prime, and 10 come an go, you'll have a long death!".

Now these are my humble thoughts. I aim to help, but if you don't see it that way, then tell me where I'm wrong!

Caldari need leaders... A Leader not to follow but to aspire to!
FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#123 - 2011-12-24 13:21:01 UTC
EVIL SYNNs wrote:


Wise words.

Caldari need leaders... A Leader not to follow but to aspire to!


Hear hear!
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#124 - 2011-12-24 13:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
4 days in the militia and I think I can comment now.

Oh dear, bad is not the word!

First of all, everyone is in 2-5 man corps, including me! Mostly the feeling is there is not good corps out there.

Hidden I wouldn't follow you if you paid me, not cause your a bad pilot, not cause you fit crappy fittings, it cause you have and are open about no honour. You've always said 1v1's is an excuse to gank people, and thats something most of us vets would never fly under.

I had assume when I joined there would be some corps who were like what WOLFY was, "stuck up their own arse doing their own thing!" But there really isn't. 4 Horse Men of the Apoc look the best on the killboard, but they try to get militia fleets together, and help people. Which is really nice!

The 3rd top killer this month in Militia is State Pro!

Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what, so the guy has done the right thing, he has ****** off and left you guys on your own! Hows that working out for ya?

You have, what I would class as leet players, Celes Apoc, 4Horse, and a few others desperate to get fleets together. But that desperation invites anyone to join and they happy to take them.

I've seen fights where small skirmishes have seen the caldari sitting on a gate, gallente warp in, in what could have gone either way, only for some caldari to jump, some caldari to warp away and some to fight. So the fair fight becomes a slaughter!

Yet I never seen any fall outs, and I later seen the same people in what looked like the same fleet!

Let me tell you a story, about WOLFY and the Gallente.

We HATED the militia. We looked at most of them with anger! They were based in high sec, would get raped by pirates as soon as they entered low sec, encouraged anyone and anything to join their fleets the when they got owned.

We lived in low sec, we roamed around in correct ships, with pilots who trusted their FC. We knew if someone F'ed up we would crucify them! I died once, ran back to station to come out again, grabbed the first fighting ship I seen, died again only to see a STAB on it! The abuse I got, I never made that mistake of not checking fitting before undock!

We knew we were not jolly little snowflakes, and we LEARNED!

And corps asked to fly with us, and we told them to feck off and die!

Then corps changed, QCATS, SOTF knew that to stop the abuse we gave them they had to step up. They may not agree and say it was simple progresion. But a long while later they even moved into the system we lived in.

We even asked for their help, some of our pilots started flying with them, and reports came back these guys were good. They formed a pack and started getting more kills than us! They controlled the pipes, so for us to get more kills we had to Tama and then the draw of beomcing pirates was just much! And thats where the story turned blinky red! Twisted

.

What I see in the Caldari is EVERYONE is a snowflake! No one can criticize without being called ASS. Damar tells them straight, without him they are nothing, yet he is abused so he fecks off, and he was right, without him they are nothing.

The "good" corps are desperate for fleet members and take anyone, only for them all to die. Thus the good pilots get fecked off and wither don't join or just become inactive.

So I say this to the corps in the Caldari Militia.

"Say you are leet, don't train the noobs by taking them out! Let them catch up to you! Become arses, tell people what they are doing wrong, its better to have 3-5 guys who know what they are doing rather than 10 who don't"

"1 Corp to take the lead, don't say you are, just do! Get enough members of your own corp and roam, and do stuff, let the other corps come up to that level rather than you come down to theirs.. Build a corp of brothers! Stop flying with the 3-5 man corps, tell them join you or tell them to do their own thing. I am a corp of 3. As soon as I see a corp doing it right you will have my sword and my application, but they don't exist just now. Final thing timezone, if you are a 20 man corp, you can only operate in one timezone! Having 20 members with 5 on EU prime, 5 on US prime, and 10 come an go, you'll have a long death!".

Now these are my humble thoughts. I aim to help, but if you don't see it that way, then tell me where I'm wrong!

Caldari need leaders... A Leader not to follow but to aspire to!
never ever asked anyone to follow me .... i asked people to join me ... ad that 1v1 ignore last aplied 4 months ago.. but from any gal it sounds very hypocritic. in past months i usually kill outnumbeted. I am at least honest in my intentions .... ad corp ... well i am doing it again as i did with old ibs. omg it is about smackagedon again .... i feel teenage again ... need to look on some milf porn soon. :........omg pr0n is censored word .. is this thing run by some stupid yank?
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#125 - 2011-12-24 13:44:57 UTC  |  Edited by: EVIL SYNNs
Okay I won't join you either.. As your not very good!

Your a divisive figure, as am I. It needs a FG or a new corp to join !
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#126 - 2011-12-24 14:02:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Okay I won't join you either.. As your not very good!

Your a divisive figure, as am I. It needs a FG or a new corp to join !

lol ... it needs people to stop shiting their pants

will not accept u into corp anyway ;)

oh i missed smackagedon with syns ... have to dig out some videos of urs
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2011-12-24 14:39:22 UTC
I was shuffling through some paperwork and found a new requirement for Caldari Militia members. If you're a 'snowflake' then you immediately need to go on the 'Fight with and lose 20 frigs plan!' Buy and fit 20 T1 frigs and write them off as goners! Then go out and FIGHT!!!! Win, lose, or pod, you'll be a better PVPer!

*Note* I only say this cause I'm 6 ships deep into the plan and have gotten better already.

GOGOGOGOGO!

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#128 - 2011-12-24 16:31:52 UTC
Because it's filled with spies, apathetic d-bags, and people who encourage mission running for the LPs.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2011-12-25 03:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
The numerous statements about ignoring and/or not helping 'noobs' because they are in the NPC corp and/or potential spies are wrong, IMHO.

Its elitest, paranoid, and self-defeating. Many noobs have experience in eve or other mmos and just need a helping hand. Unlike nullsec T1 cruisers and frigs are useful in FW. People will fly failfits and die in horrid ways - so what. Its the only way to learn. Give em a chance. Anyway, spies cant do anything bad to you in FW but get you in a fight - which if you have someone in fleet that can use the DScan - is only a temporary intel disadvantage. And that is only if there actually is a real spai 'problem' - and I dont think there is.

IMHO - the problem with FW combatant numbers is not the lack of willing people to fight. It is the lack of willing people to teach them to fight properly. Its not the noobs, its the elitist vets (not all vets are this way, but as this thread illustrates, some are). Spend some time in the general NPC militia channel and look for people who ask questions or show an interest in fighting. Get them in fleets, give them a chance.

And from my 'noob' view, thank god for folks like 4Horse and others who still bring the fights every day - outnumbered or outshipped, at least they try. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, but they fight. Isnt that the point of FW? Folks like that who keep soldiering on will reap the benefits when the worm turns. o7

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#130 - 2011-12-25 04:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
When W-BR was in Caldari, people complained that we "demanded this ship, or that ship" Fit "this way or that way" or we wouldn't left them into fleet. Yet we would mostly win fights. People would continue to ***** about us, and were super pleased when we ****** off. We left when Caldari was on top, less then a year later, they are in the shitter.

Our leadership all must be super nice, because Im not sure a single one has come into the thread and said

TOLD YOU ******* SO, DUMBASSES.

Hell I would have, cause we ******* told you so.

Fighting out numbered is easy enough as long as your fleet isn't made up of any piece of crap the pilot was happy to lose. Then again, W-BR are just a bunch of rule following, Elitest that never run Militia fleets, and think they are better then everyone else in FW. So what the hell do we know.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#131 - 2011-12-25 04:43:46 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
When W-BR was in Caldari, people complained that we "demanded this ship, or that ship" Fit "this way or that way" or we wouldn't left them into fleet. Yet we would mostly win fights. People would continue to ***** about us, and were super pleased when we ****** off. We left when Caldari was on top, less then a year later, they are in the shitter.

Our leadership all must be super nice, because Im not sure a single one has come into the thread and said

TOLD YOU ******* SO, DUMBASSES.

Hell I would have, cause we ******* told you so.

Fighting out numbered is easy enough as long as your fleet isn't made up of any piece of crap the pilot was happy to lose. Then again, W-BR are just a bunch of rule following, Elitest that never run Militia fleets, and think they are better then everyone else in FW. So what the hell do we know.



I don't think I saw anyone slagging Wolfsbrigade, and they certainly know how to run a fleet.It's also obvious the 4 horsemen are the only ones willing to fight right now and if not for them militia would be doing nothing at all.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#132 - 2011-12-25 06:25:08 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
When W-BR was in Caldari, people complained that we "demanded this ship, or that ship" Fit "this way or that way" or we wouldn't left them into fleet. Yet we would mostly win fights. People would continue to ***** about us, and were super pleased when we ****** off. We left when Caldari was on top, less then a year later, they are in the shitter.

Our leadership all must be super nice, because Im not sure a single one has come into the thread and said

TOLD YOU ******* SO, DUMBASSES.

Hell I would have, cause we ******* told you so.

Fighting out numbered is easy enough as long as your fleet isn't made up of any piece of crap the pilot was happy to lose. Then again, W-BR are just a bunch of rule following, Elitest that never run Militia fleets, and think they are better then everyone else in FW. So what the hell do we know.



I don't think I saw anyone slagging Wolfsbrigade, and they certainly know how to run a fleet.It's also obvious the 4 horsemen are the only ones willing to fight right now and if not for them militia would be doing nothing at all.

Wrong ... Actually enaluri guys are kinda stuck in the hole ....
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#133 - 2011-12-25 10:57:09 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
When W-BR was in Caldari, people complained that we "demanded this ship, or that ship" Fit "this way or that way" or we wouldn't left them into fleet. Yet we would mostly win fights. People would continue to ***** about us, and were super pleased when we ****** off. We left when Caldari was on top, less then a year later, they are in the shitter.

Our leadership all must be super nice, because Im not sure a single one has come into the thread and said

TOLD YOU ******* SO, DUMBASSES.

Hell I would have, cause we ******* told you so.

Fighting out numbered is easy enough as long as your fleet isn't made up of any piece of crap the pilot was happy to lose. Then again, W-BR are just a bunch of rule following, Elitest that never run Militia fleets, and think they are better then everyone else in FW. So what the hell do we know.



Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!

Come back, and have my and a few other 100M SP players ships! Big smile
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2011-12-25 17:43:13 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
Wrong ... Actually enaluri guys are kinda stuck in the hole ....


Yeah... But at least there's the opportunity for small/med plex fights!!!

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#135 - 2011-12-25 17:55:23 UTC
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!

Fortunately the majority of the Gallente FW corps don't share your opinion, and now today we're stronger for it.
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#136 - 2011-12-26 13:28:33 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!

Fortunately the majority of the Gallente FW corps don't share your opinion, and now today we're stronger for it.


But you came up to our standard. You moved out of Villore, you moved into Low Sec, you and a few other corps got your acts together. You are much better for it. But you got to admit you have moved on a LOT since Villore, and if honest you have to say you had to. And I know QCats and SoTF are much better corps than you were. And you did it by doing all the things I suggest, stop flying with NPC players, have smaller groups of players who trust each other and move forward, rather than always work with the lowest denominator.

If in all honest I thought QCats would be better than SoTF, but even though both are now 100+ members SoTF have done other things and have gain some respect outwith FW.

But I have much love for both! But until Caldari can pick up this challenge 2 100 man corps in FW is gonna be very boring!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#137 - 2011-12-26 18:41:14 UTC
LOL at "respect is earned outside FW" comments. Nice try. Big smile
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#138 - 2011-12-26 19:21:49 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Damar is mad we took back Dal, clearly.


As said in earlier message, holidays are over. So we re-took it.

You can now come and take it back (I have no doubt you will if you keep pushing 18h/day like last time). NAERY will of course harvest as many killmails as possible over this.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#139 - 2011-12-27 04:52:45 UTC
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!

Fortunately the majority of the Gallente FW corps don't share your opinion, and now today we're stronger for it.


But you came up to our standard. You moved out of Villore, you moved into Low Sec, you and a few other corps got your acts together. You are much better for it. But you got to admit you have moved on a LOT since Villore, and if honest you have to say you had to. And I know QCats and SoTF are much better corps than you were. And you did it by doing all the things I suggest, stop flying with NPC players, have smaller groups of players who trust each other and move forward, rather than always work with the lowest denominator.

If in all honest I thought QCats would be better than SoTF, but even though both are now 100+ members SoTF have done other things and have gain some respect outwith FW.

But I have much love for both! But until Caldari can pick up this challenge 2 100 man corps in FW is gonna be very boring!


When draketrain was in militia it was boring, those 100+ corporations did not bring any fights, if they did, they hugged station with carriers without having any possibility kill anything, or something similar.


Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2011-12-27 09:15:20 UTC
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what


You know he basically treats his own militia the way he treats the Gallente, and the only reason he's actually treating you with dignity and respect is because he wants a good PvPer in the Caldari militia to make himself feel better?

As soon as you stop being novel and useful he'll start treating you exactly the same way he treats everyone else.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.