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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-04-03 21:42:50 UTC
Morgoth Galaxius wrote:
Thanks for the answers! Especially the notion of not engaging a PVP fit ship with one that's fit for PVE.

(I did want to light the suspect up though!Twisted)

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edit: for question like this exists an Help channel in EVE. Going to forum onyl gives you stupid answers from stupid people.


You might be right, but I was also looking for an 'icebreaker' to get myself involved with the Eve forums.



Asking for advice is always a good ice breakerBig smile

And despite the insistance of our salty friend up there, you came to the right place with your question. Not only are the crafty baxtards who do these kinds of things all too happy to tell how it works (never know, maybe you'll try it yourselfPirate), but anyone who uses the forum to look for targets will now have you pegged as someone who probably won't take the bait. Showing an ability to stay calm and willingness to learn makes you a hard mark.
Paranoid Loyd
#22 - 2015-04-03 22:04:25 UTC
Morgoth Galaxius wrote:
Thanks for the answers! Especially the notion of not engaging a PVP fit ship with one that's fit for PVE.

(I did want to light the suspect up though!Twisted)

And you should light him up. Like I said you will probably die in a fire but you will enjoy yourself.

Who doesn't fall flat on their face the first time they try to walk?

Tell you what, next time it happens light him up, fall flat on your face and die in a fire. Keep good notes on what your opponent does and what you did, make a full write up and post it here. Mail me the killmail and I will will reimburse you. FRAPS the fight for an extra bonus.

The next hint I will give you is that it is possible to quickly change from your PVE setup to a PVP setup, the key is to carry a mobile depot, this will allow you to change your fit within the mission space.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#23 - 2015-04-03 22:12:52 UTC
Morgoth Galaxius wrote:
Thanks for the answers! Especially the notion of not engaging a PVP fit ship with one that's fit for PVE.

(I did want to light the suspect up though!Twisted)

Quote:
edit: for question like this exists an Help channel in EVE. Going to forum onyl gives you stupid answers from stupid people.


You might be right, but I was also looking for an 'icebreaker' to get myself involved with the Eve forums.



If you want to learn, i suguest you to go Jita 4-4 and look SpaceWarriors doing their Docking, suspect game. Make yourself an alt and steal from the cans. you learn alot about the timer. the yellow, the blue and the red.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2015-04-03 23:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Feel free to light them up. You may actually win.
Just keep in mind that they WILL be packing either a disruptor, or more commonly a warp scrambler. If you pull the trigger you are committed unless you can shut that down somehow.
Odds are good though that they are relying on having a small signature and a high speed to tip the advantage in their favor when dealing with your mission ship's damage output.
For more details on how this is done I suggest reading this:
http://evedarklord.blogspot.com/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html?view=sidebar

Plenty of info on how it's done there. Now, you try it!

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Futt Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-04-04 02:13:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Futt Isimazu
If you're in a battleship, they're in a frigate, and you don't have webs,MJD,scram and neuts fitted, don't pull the trigger, unless you want to end up being laughed at in a venue like C&P.
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#26 - 2015-04-04 02:48:49 UTC
You mentioned something about his friends coming.. Just want to make it clear that when you shoot someone that is suspect, his friends don't get to agress you without Concord stepping in. I'm glad you chose to be mature about the situation, asking questions instead of crying and demanding nerfs and solitude. Kudos.

HTFU
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-04-04 02:56:05 UTC
@OP this is what was happening: http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html

This guide explains exactly what was being done to you, why, and how it works. I would suggest reading it if only to understand Crimewatch mechanics. That said, find a suspect baiter, fit up a disposable PVP ship and go have fun. PVP is the -best- part of this game, and if you are in a ship you can afford to lose, even losing can be fun.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-04-04 04:14:50 UTC
Losing is always fun if you a) aren't married to the ship and b) are looking to learn.

So pro tip: don't get married to a ship and always look to learn Smile
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#29 - 2015-04-04 07:44:48 UTC
Asmodia wrote:
Comes from someone that loads in a 500 million ship with t1 antimatter charges. In t2 guns Roll


Confirming that void would have given me sooo much more range. P

Yes, my killboard is failtastic, but it's mine and I love it. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but I have almost as much fun losing my failtard fits as I do blowing up other people's. Still, +1 for correct use of the word "noob".

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#30 - 2015-04-04 11:44:37 UTC
OP, no, his corpmates cannot interfere.
However be aware that even if you kill that Frig he will be back in a ship that is more than capable to kill you. And even if it were not he has no risk trying since mission-running ships do not fit a warp disruptor so he can always warp off.

In fact, in a case such as yours always assume your fit has been scanned beforehand and its strenghts and weaknesses (and monetary worth!) are known and will be countered. Every possible dice will be loaded against you.

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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#31 - 2015-04-04 20:01:32 UTC
Next time ... go mission in a proper combat ship and wait for him.

He will run as soon as you have an Engagement Timer ...
... and come back in something to kill you.

In the meantime you should approach the warp-in ...
... wait for him and then turn around the experience!


No hate for the baiter... just a thought. (:
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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-04-04 20:14:04 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Asmodia wrote:
Comes from someone that loads in a 500 million ship with t1 antimatter charges. In t2 guns Roll


Confirming that void would have given me sooo much more range. P

Yes, my killboard is failtastic, but it's mine and I love it. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but I have almost as much fun losing my failtard fits as I do blowing up other people's. Still, +1 for correct use of the word "noob".


T2 null gives range. Also i think he is referring to you have a 1/2 ship and using t2 antimatter vs Caldari Navy Antimatter which is good for tracking and used over void against fast things. Way to not take advice and think you know it all tho
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#33 - 2015-04-04 20:17:13 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Asmodia wrote:
Comes from someone that loads in a 500 million ship with t1 antimatter charges. In t2 guns Roll


Confirming that void would have given me sooo much more range. P

Yes, my killboard is failtastic, but it's mine and I love it. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but I have almost as much fun losing my failtard fits as I do blowing up other people's. Still, +1 for correct use of the word "noob".


T2 null gives range. Also i think he is referring to you have a 1/2 ship and using t2 antimatter vs Caldari Navy Antimatter which is good for tracking and used over void against fast things. Way to not take advice and think you know it all tho


You seem angry. When you calm down, I look forward to you providing anything even vaguely approximating proof that I think I know it all, or anything, for that matter.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-04-04 23:34:33 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Asmodia wrote:
Comes from someone that loads in a 500 million ship with t1 antimatter charges. In t2 guns Roll


Confirming that void would have given me sooo much more range. P

Yes, my killboard is failtastic, but it's mine and I love it. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but I have almost as much fun losing my failtard fits as I do blowing up other people's. Still, +1 for correct use of the word "noob".


T2 null gives range. Also i think he is referring to you have a 1/2 ship and using t2 antimatter vs Caldari Navy Antimatter which is good for tracking and used over void against fast things. Way to not take advice and think you know it all tho


You seem angry. When you calm down, I look forward to you providing anything even vaguely approximating proof that I think I know it all, or anything, for that matter.



...........you made sense of that?
Morgoth Galaxius
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-04-06 01:41:23 UTC
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html

Very interesting read! Thanks.

I see now just how dangerous the situation was for me. Initially I thought the danger lied in a mass of hidden friends waiting to pounce once I pulled the trigger. Now I realize that I would have been vaporized by a frigate fit just to pop little old me!

At the time I honestly thought that I could have swatted that pesky gnat if I had wanted to.Oops

All in all, thank you to everyone who has replied. I've learned a few things that will surely come in handy in the future.

Good luck and take care-bear.
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#36 - 2015-04-07 07:20:11 UTC
Morgoth Galaxius wrote:
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html

Very interesting read! Thanks.

I see now just how dangerous the situation was for me. Initially I thought the danger lied in a mass of hidden friends waiting to pounce once I pulled the trigger. Now I realize that I would have been vaporized by a frigate fit just to pop little old me!

At the time I honestly thought that I could have swatted that pesky gnat if I had wanted to.Oops

All in all, thank you to everyone who has replied. I've learned a few things that will surely come in handy in the future.

Good luck and take care-bear.




Shameless plug here! This is what suspect baiting rewards you with when you pull the trigger.

HTFU
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#37 - 2015-04-07 08:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Futt Isimazu wrote:
If you're in a battleship, they're in a frigate, and you don't have webs,MJD,scram and neuts fitted, don't pull the trigger, unless you want to end up being laughed at in a venue like C&P.


You sound like you say this through experience. Lol

To the OP, no...their friends can not attack you, but they can use boosts and/or use neutral logi, which will then become suspect too (the logi anyways). Use your gut. If it seems like a trap, it probably is. A lot of people are fooled by the notion that bigger is better..then learn a harsh lesson when their shiny mission battleship is popped by a frigate. Blink

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-04-07 09:22:14 UTC
Try attacking a battleship with a frigate irl... In Eve, somehow, smaller is always better because of the tracking tech dating back to Sun Tzu days.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
MonkRage
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-04-07 10:25:38 UTC
Just to state the obvious: there are poeple in frigs who just want to steal your loot because it is more worth than salvage and nine out of ten mission runners dont shoot anyway...
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#40 - 2015-04-07 10:48:07 UTC
There is that also. You can make a tidy sum in a short amount of time by swiping tags and cherry picking loot.
Any mission with navy npcs tends to be good for straight up ISK, and the loot doesn't take up much space.
The missions with the NPC Zor in them can also score some nice implant drops.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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