EVE General Discussion

Yes, i'm borderline shitfaced but I believe the following is still semi coherent ;P

As a generalization, true miners tend to be solo players. It's the sort of person they are. Their enjoyment comes from doing something mundane but predictable with an objective to complete and it's a form of relaxation for them. This game is a hostile environment for that type of player.

There are many people in this world (the real one) where their days are busy and chaotic. They just want a place where they can relax and have some control. Something different. Depending on their personality, this can manifest itself in an aggressive form of play where they get enjoyment from the pain of others, or the other sides of giving pleasure to others or just staying solo and giving pleasure to themselves (neutral players).

Eve is a great idea. Unfortunately it still has a narrow focus just as it did from the beginning on what it has to be and so only caters for a limited type of player. It could have all types of players in various parts of the great sand pit, but unfortunately it's created and supported only a niche group who now control the direction the game takes. Such a shame. There is room for all types in eve but because of the way the game has been implemented, it's closed doors that would have otherwise been open.

Eve needs new players? Well sorry, but what it has now is an abundance of aggressive players who threaten to leave if they can't have complete control, with few "average" players who would like some sort of choice in their style of play. The game mechanics have created a voting base that is limited with an agenda that ultimately cuts off the hand that feeds it... new paying players.

As shocking and incomprehensible as it may seem to those types of players who make the bulk of what eve is, you are not the majority in the gaming world. All you need to give is a small corner of eve that's available and safe to the non aggressive or some casual types of player and the numbers in eve will grow considerably in a small section of space that bleeds through to yours... but that's not in your nature is it. It's have the ability to greif all or this games not worth it to you.

I see CCP as the crap parent. The one with the spoilt child who bullies others in the sand pit. Laughs at the blood from the other kids nose or the toy the just broke of theirs. But when the bully somehow can't dominate something or someone, they scream and have a tantrum... and CCP as the crap parent runs and pampers to their poor little baby who somehow missed out and needs more bling. Morebling in the sandpit that's half empty because ultimately, the pit is unfriendly to many kids out there. Eve can never be what it could as long as it cuts off so much off the player base at the start.

There are numerous options available as long as the parent has the balls to stand up and say no to their child. Learn to share a little space you little ****. The mass type of player this game could have don't want the universe. They don't want half or a quarter. Just a small corner to call home and live reasonably safely in. Their idea of safety being higher than yours BTW. Different mindset you know.

There was a thread I partially read yesterday where someone suggested something that made so much sense it wasn't funny... make hi sec corps safe from greifers / targeting but limit what the members can do also. Have the higher tax in return for the protection of concord etc. Limit their safety to the higher sec area's as well? But besides that, give mining vessels a better damn tank damn it. Make it possible for the type of player that enjoys mining to damn well do it without the thought of a very short attack by small disposable ships and characters having the ability to deprive them of weeks or in the case of newbies, months worth of work. Why is it so hard to comprehend that this game, in it's mechanics and the type of player it encourages to play ARE the cause of so many mining bots?

CCP, you are on some good drugs.

Grow some friggen balls. In some way make small area's safe, newbie and experienced carebear friendly. Your paying customer base will grow and in turn your screaming child will have more targets as the larger player base ventures into their world.

As another mining suggestion, find some way to rework the mining skills or mining ship bonuses so there is more of a steady increase in mining ability instead of the huge time and mining amount gap there is between the retriever and hulk. if you look at it in terms of training time between the retriever and hulk it's nearly a month. if you look at it in terms of training time between a retriever and hulk with all the highly trained skills to just survive a short cheap gank on your very expensive ship, it's many months. Why are there so many bots again? Oh yeah, not a lot of enjoyment for the legitimate player who just wants to shoot rocks and make something in their spare time. So after they are weeded out, you just have experienced players left who want to run automated alts to bring them the goodies.

Fail.

Where I live it's Christmas day in the afternoon

Nah. Grow some balls yourself :P

For all the whining highsec seems pretty damn safe unless you're crap at fitting your ship or bad at planning your mission. Have you ever tried Farmville?

You are correct, it is a hostile environment.

And when you lose week or months of work on a single ship, then you are breaking the no. 1 rule of EVE

NEVER fly anything you can't afford to lose (several times)

As well as that rule, there is an un-written contract in EVE that states:



And besides, in EVE everything has a risk/reward ratio, without pirates ganking people, mining would be no risk all reward, or in other words, broken.

I'm fairly certain that suicide ganking isn't the only way people lose ships...

PVE provides better rewards from early on in near complete safety compared to mining.


Miners are defenseless sitting ducks who have to put in many more hours and train for far longer to even match the rewards that PVE gives yet with higher risks. The mechanics are broken and bots are the result of that.

Griefers of miners always argue from the position of safety that they themselves are in. Miners have no real defense or ability to fight back even if they want too... and they don't. If they did they would be flying PVP ships for fun. You know?

Dear diary,

I got podded in Jita today. On Christmas EVE of all days.

My sweet-sweet Merlin and pod were destroyed in an efficient and professional manner by an absolute *** from Cosa Nostra or some nonsense like that.

It was very well done which makes my ass hurt all the more.

I had an absolute blast running with the fleet, making mistakes, learning new things, and looking for WTs. This game sure did become epic when I got on the headset!

I wish more people would plug in headsets...........

Done bonuses dont mean jack when you are alpha'd out of existence.

EVE does not have a narrow focus at all and caters for many playstyles. Most characters are highsec carebears ffs.

Actually as CCP recently discovered the 'hand that feeds them' is their established target demographic, and as the current overpopulation of highsec shows the game more than supports playstyles which run contrary to EVE's original principles.

No, having a corner of the sandbox where the lines of influence only flow out and never in, thus breaking the sandbox, would not go down well.


tl;dr: this game isn't for you, isn't meant for you, and will never hopefully cater exclusively to you (which is what you really want), **** off back to WoW. And Merry Christmas.

In my opinion, the only two problems with mining are the lack of tank on the ships (the ship's larger than cruisers but basic tank of a frig) and the painfulness of it, especial ice mining. My mind goes a little numb when my corp does ice ops...

I wouldn't complain if the HP of barges was raised slightly. Won't complain if it stays the same either though.

No idea how to make it less boring. Maybe... nah, I got nothing.