Ships & Modules

Hmm what would you suggest in regard of faction BS which a slightly better than T1 but twice higher in prices. Something is very wrong here. But prices are subject of eve economics and ccp don't control them other than minerals requirements for production.

Price correction is not a balance.

What you fail to account for is insurance. T1 battleships after platinum insurance are far cheaper than a T3 or T2 cruiser. Honestly I think the only real problem with battleships is the fact bombers wreck them so hard.

I've never heard of anyone shying away from T1 battleships because of their cost.

People stay out of battleships because bombers eat them alive and cruisers get more applied DPS in most cases while being harder to hit and faster to roam with.

Problem I see with battleships is that they're already better than cruisers on most levels out of the box, and the cap on dps and tank is significantly higher, where cruisers require months of training to be truly viable for soloing t4's. not to mention, the larger powergrid, capacitor, and access to microjump drives makes battleships significantly better for all pve activities. For the bonuses you get from running a battleship in PVE for missioning, the price difference is well worth it.

I can't speak for PVP b/c I currently haven't touched it yet. I am to assume that the problem that people actually have with using battleships stems from the fact that in pvp your ability to effectively run away requires you to align and reach warp velocity. This problem battleships face is compounded by the fact that smaller ships often bump them to prevent this alignment and keep the battleship stuck. If I had to guess, the problem most people have is because they're taking tech1 battleships into low or null sec and getting ganged up on, and when faced with a situation they cannot run away from (even through having the correct loadout to handle scramblers and int bubbles), they get stuck having to fight a battle they cannot win. This is just my guess, and I'm probably completely wrong on this and for the record I don't PVP yet (I prefer a farming simulator EVE Online right now to potentially losing my ships).

The issue is they have too many weakness's and not very many strengths. They are slow moving, slow targeting, slow warping, slow turning, can't hit anything reliably smaller then a BC and are totally and utterly vulnerable against frigates, even two can easily overpower most battleships.

How it should be? They should be slow, they should target slow, they should warp slow, they should not be able to pick their fights well, or run well, but what they SHOULD do well is stand and fight. As of right now, they simply can't. Some of you will yell, well my BS can pump out 1200 dps easy! Sure they can, on a station, sitting still. Against anything smaller then you and moving, you can knock off 70 percent of that.

The point is for their cost and weakness, they have very few benefits beyond on paper tank and dps. They simply don't apply damage well. They turn into floating paper weights and big fat targets honestly. Any cruiser will give you more applied bang for your buck for much less cost.

This does not apply to every BS, obviously. Drone boats obviously don't suffer from these same issues, as well as ships with special benefits to applying damage. The vast majority of BS leave much to be desired however. It is simply a fact

Battleships are not for PvP. You don't balance them that way. It's pretty much purely (with rare exception) a PvE ship. Test them against T4's or other high end PvE, compare, balance... walk away.

Move Incursions to low-sec and let the tears commence.

I was talking about a PvP use of BS. Ofc when you're choosing a mission running ship you don't care if it costs 100M, 200M or 500M.

Remember that if insurance seriously lower the effective price of a PvP BS, it's the same for a cruiser or any other T1 ship. I know that the fit's price is way higher on a cruiser regarding the hull price, but this isn't sufficient, imo, to close the gap between overused cruisers and overpriced battleships.

Battleship aren't the allmighty response to every subcap thing, which is a good thing. So why do they cost as much as if they were ?

As are we, friend, as are we.



Yes, the battleship build cost is super-high, thus a high price entry barrier to most people even if insurance pays back 121%.

Tier 1 and Tier 2 battleship manufacturing cost used to be around 50 and 90 mil - Armageddon and Apocalypse, but then CCP raised the it to tier 3 level. vOv



Due to the above - arbitrary CCP decision.

Also because the Battleship is a cornerstone concept to this game that used to be called Eve Online: The Second Genesis, and used to be actually a useful, allmighty response to every "subcap"... around the year 2008.

But that second part is just a relic of the past.

Enjoy PvE in your battleships, guis.

Station shenanigans start at 2:46:00

Guys baited outside a hostile station, Chimera and Thanatos (spoiler: both not Triage) undocked along with a Proteus --- Couldn't break the rep, so pulled the Prot 70km away from the carriers, killed him as more **** started to undock and warp on them at zero.

All-in-all kills under the damage of the two carriers: Proteus, Scorpion (thanks ECCM Keres ), Armageddon, Draek I think.

Later on (3:41:30), they found a cruiser gang, engaged on a gate and a Hel warped in. Late de-aggro cost one Rattlesnake.

Snakes were 3 DDA, all Highs with Cap Transfers and a shield tank fit.

CCP, your Skynet fix appears to be working!