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Epic Smartbombfail aka How CCP protect da Carebears
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Niclas Miula
Kriegsmarinewerft
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-04-06 14:12:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Niclas Miula
It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once.
But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So we had chosen to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels.

We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE.
We filled the crowd.
We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^)
We transported them, fitted them.
We filled the fleet.
We gave out the ships.
We warped to the spot and then the magic happened.

With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot"

I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long.
We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard.

So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP.
A month of work for nothing.

Here are funny Videos of our glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uj9mAujBJs

Battlereport:
Bow for our Glory

Newsreport:
The Mittani
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-04-06 14:17:54 UTC
I'll be surprised if not only do you not get your ships back, but some of you don't get temp bans for "deliberately inducing server lag".

It's a pretty well known fact that smartbombing large-ish groups of ships in high sec will produce mind numbing levels of lag as the server tries to spawn concord for every ship you hit - and everyone else in your fleet is doing the same thing. You did it to yourself, and have no one but yourself to blame.

That said, good on you for creating content.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3 - 2015-04-06 14:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Niclas Miula wrote:
It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once.
But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So w choosed to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels.

We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE.
We filled the crowd.
We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^)
We transported them, fitted them.
We filled the fleet.
We gave out the ships.
We warped to the spot and then the magic happened.

With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot"

I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long.
We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard.

So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP.
A month of work for nothing.

Here are funny Videos of our glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA


LOL i was flying a machariel with TVP that day. I was like 4th on the watch list docked next door to Murzi and listening to TVP comms when the FC said "we are going to fleet with DIN and kill the MOM.

I was all like "crap, I've been on the wait list for 20 minutes waiting to get in and it's time to move already". I was getting tired of running missions on my other screen already (what i do while waiting, that or null anoms). I didn't even get an invite to the MOM fleet, i was getting ticked.

Then i heard it all go down on comms, and a few minutes later saw the killmails and battle report linked in TVP chat. Knowing my luck i would have died to you guys lol.

I guess everything happens for a reason Big smile

PS: like low sec (which starts to TiDi when we push 40 people through a gate), you have to know that high sec systems suck for things like this.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-04-06 14:26:00 UTC
Would a reinforcement notification have helped the situation?

I'm my own NPC alt.
Mr Popovic
Outback Steakhouse of Pancakes
Deepwater Hooligans
#5 - 2015-04-06 14:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Popovic
Jenn aSide wrote:
Niclas Miula wrote:
It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once.
But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So w choosed to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels.

We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE.
We filled the crowd.
We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^)
We transported them, fitted them.
We filled the fleet.
We gave out the ships.
We warped to the spot and then the magic happened.

With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot"

I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long.
We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard.

So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP.
A month of work for nothing.

Here are funny Videos of our glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA


LOL i was flying a machariel with TVP that day. I was like 4th on the watch list docked next door to Murzi and listening to TVP comms when the FC said "we are going to fleet with DIN and kill the MOM.

I was all like "crap, I've been on the wait list for 20 minutes waiting to get in and it's time to move already". I was getting tired of running missions on my other screen already (what i do while waiting, that or null anoms). I didn't even get an invite to the MOM fleet, i was getting ticked.

Then i heard it all go down on comms, and a few minutes later saw the killmails and battle report linked in TVP chat. Knowing my luck i would have died to you guys lol.

I guess everything happens for a reason Big smile

PS: like low sec (which starts to TiDi when we push 40 people through a gate), you have to know that high sec systems suck for things like this.



Well the thing is, when you SB in LS. You still kill stuff, the tidi is just massive. We had great fights in which we had bombing squads and even in 0.0 are bombing fleets around. So I have no idea whats going on with that higsec.

It also looked like Concord was not affected by the tidi... which is bad i guess?!?
Niclas Miula
Kriegsmarinewerft
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2015-04-06 14:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Niclas Miula
Tipa Riot wrote:
Would a reinforcement notification have helped the situation?


No, we were just 45 smartbombing guys. That is not enough for a reinforcement notification. Even if we count the target fleet we were not even 100 Ships.
And the TiDi were at 25 % and not 10 %. So This was not the problem. Even so CONCORD was not affected by the TiDi.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#7 - 2015-04-06 15:23:53 UTC
It took you a month to prepare for this?

How so?
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Kaphrah
Angry Angels Constructions
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2015-04-06 15:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaphrah
Niclas Miula wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
Would a reinforcement notification have helped the situation?


No, we were just 45 smartbombing guys. That is not enough for a reinforcement notification. Even if we count the target fleet we were not even 100 Ships.
And the TiDi were at 25 % and not 10 %. So This was not the problem. Even so CONCORD was not affected by the TiDi.



They were 59... you need to count the squad in the mom fleet too
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#9 - 2015-04-06 15:52:15 UTC
so...

damn you CCP and technical limitations ?
Nala Sarain
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2015-04-06 16:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nala Sarain
Niclas Miula wrote:
It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once.
But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So we had chosen to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels.

We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE.
We filled the crowd.
We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^)
We transported them, fitted them.
We filled the fleet.
We gave out the ships.
We warped to the spot and then the magic happened.

With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot"

I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long.
We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard.

So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP.
A month of work for nothing.

Here are funny Videos of our glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA

Battlereport:
Bow for our Glory



actually at the 1:50 to 2:00 mark you can see that your smartbombs did activate. look at the second smartbomb. Yes it didn't show you all activated because the server or even just the client was lagging behind with giving you the feedback for successful module activation. For the second module it arrives at 1:50 to 2:00.

Furthermore you got jammed before it showed you any active smartbombs. This is also proof that in fact your smartbombs did activate and deal damage but just didnt show up as active. Aside from the very obvious hit notifications that you had on your screen.

So no CCP isn't to blame here (except for not showing you your active smartbombs). Your smartbombs activated, they did damage it just didn't show the modules as active but that's hardly a problem there. It's just that your plan failed because it sucked.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#11 - 2015-04-06 16:23:05 UTC
If everyone would just grab a catalyst they'd be dead
Mr Popovic
Outback Steakhouse of Pancakes
Deepwater Hooligans
#12 - 2015-04-06 16:28:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Popovic
Nala Sarain wrote:
Niclas Miula wrote:
It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once.
But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So we had chosen to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels.

We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE.
We filled the crowd.
We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^)
We transported them, fitted them.
We filled the fleet.
We gave out the ships.
We warped to the spot and then the magic happened.

With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot"

I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long.
We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard.

So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP.
A month of work for nothing.

Here are funny Videos of our glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA

Battlereport:
Bow for our Glory



actually at the 1:50 to 2:00 mark you can see that your smartbombs did activate. look at the second smartbomb. Yes it didn't show you all activated because the server or even just the client was lagging behind with giving you the feedback for successful module activation. For the second module it arrives at 1:50 to 2:00.

Furthermore you got jammed before it showed you any active smartbombs. This is also proof that in fact your smartbombs did activate and deal damage but just didnt show up as active. Aside from the very obvious hit notifications that you had on your screen.

So no CCP isn't to blame here (except for not showing you your active smartbombs). Your smartbombs activated, they did damage it just didn't show the modules as active but that's hardly a problem there. It's just that your plan failed because it sucked.



watch the killmails, there was only one active or at least not all
Clenz
The Forgotten Order
#13 - 2015-04-06 16:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Clenz
Yeah you can see the damage the SB's were doing on the screens, looked like more than one or two in the beginning. The mods may not have shown that they were activated, but it looked like most of them were going off. What probably did you in was the fact that you both kept trying to activate the SBs. Turning them on and off.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-04-06 16:45:02 UTC
It's a known fact that TiDi + Crimewatch (and every other process that runs in Highsec but not in other areas of space) don't always play well together.

Anyone remember the first Burn Jita? That first night, where TiDi did it's thing, but Concord wasn't setup to account for it, so you'd kill a flashy red, then die yourself cause it was no longer Red to Concord.. I doubt what happened was any designed mechanic, just a Glitch in the matrix that is hard to find due to the fact that very little "large scale" happens in highsec with TiDi and Crimewatch.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#15 - 2015-04-06 17:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
Correction:

It's not a "highsec"-mechanic ...
... but an "aggression"-mechanic.

It's there in null as well.
Docking timers due to aggression, for example.

There's just way more for it to do in high, than anywhere else.
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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#16 - 2015-04-06 17:24:59 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
It's a known fact that TiDi + Crimewatch (and every other process that runs in Highsec but not in other areas of space) don't always play well together.

Anyone remember the first Burn Jita? That first night, where TiDi did it's thing, but Concord wasn't setup to account for it, so you'd kill a flashy red, then die yourself cause it was no longer Red to Concord.. I doubt what happened was any designed mechanic, just a Glitch in the matrix that is hard to find due to the fact that very little "large scale" happens in highsec with TiDi and Crimewatch.

Yeah, I remember being that flashy red, and being unable to undock even well after my criminal timer ran out because the station guns would shoot me.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-04-06 17:45:27 UTC
Niclas Miula wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
Would a reinforcement notification have helped the situation?


No, we were just 45 smartbombing guys. That is not enough for a reinforcement notification. Even if we count the target fleet we were not even 100 Ships.
And the TiDi were at 25 % and not 10 %. So This was not the problem. Even so CONCORD was not affected by the TiDi.

I remember a similar situation during the Revenant event, there was no immediate feedback on weapons activation. It got visible minutes later ... so you likely switched on and off the bombs before a command was executed. With Concord not being affected by TiDi ... a statement from CCP would be interesting, maybe this can be fixed with the brain in the box project ...

I'm my own NPC alt.
Sykaotic
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-04-06 18:21:51 UTC
What will make you laugh Big smile will make your cry. Sad

Just curious. On a side note: are you a miner? Could have sworn I saw you mining the other day, but maybe it was a similar name.

Well atleast you have done a test run for codes planned attacks on Incursion runners.

+1 for beating them to it.

GL

Jenshae Chiroptera
#19 - 2015-04-06 18:36:32 UTC
Niclas Miula wrote:
Here are funny Videos of our glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY
Like dis if Goons fail makes u cray wit joy!! P

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Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#20 - 2015-04-06 21:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Niclas Miula wrote:
So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP.
A month of work for nothing.


Hmm, remember when billions worth of dreads were lost to lag in the largest war ever seen on TQ, and people came to GD complaining about tidi....now, what was the general response...hmm, if only I could remember...
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