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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#21 - 2015-04-06 15:46:25 UTC
Is this a rant about how safelogging does not
allow you to prevent being shot at?

Because that's what it sounds like.
Why would someone lock your ship to prevent you tucking in your tail,
if it wasn't to make sure the coward can't run away from being killed?

Just wondering. In any case ... you were not safe,
thus no safe logging off. It's not quantum mechanics, really.
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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#22 - 2015-04-06 15:47:04 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.

Discussion please


Someone got his freight bumped Twisted
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#23 - 2015-04-06 16:01:55 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Ur missing the point here, why is there even safe logging if u just want everyone to dock and logg there? Point is, that someone is preveting u from safelogging without getting any timer or anything from it. Shooting, poiting and everthing else gives timers.

And in fact i know that code uses this in theyr advantege.

I don't think i'm missing the point at all. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that you want to save your freighter or something similar with logoffsky, because you failed to prepare yourself when planing your route and required support fleet.

You try to misuse a mechanic that is there to logoff from the game and not to save your ship. It's implemented the way it is now to prevent exactly what you try to do with it.

P.S.
A mining permit also nerver hurts.

Evil RatKid
Marech Bhayanaka
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-04-06 16:04:55 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.


Safe logoff is not supposed to be a way to escape. It is not intended to *make* you safe. It is intended to let you log off from a safe situation without making you more vulnerable than you were.

Imagine what it would do to the game if everyone who was losing a fight could escape just by logging off!

Marech.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#25 - 2015-04-06 16:08:53 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

P.S.
A logoff permit also nerver hurts.

Fixed for context. ^_^
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Zerbyl
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-04-06 16:27:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Zerbyl wrote:
In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.

Discussion please


Someone got his freight bumped Twisted


Yes i got my freighter bumbed... six f'**ckg hours, knowing that all they want is that i logg off, so ill lose skill based bonuses... Cry
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#27 - 2015-04-06 16:35:33 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Zerbyl wrote:
In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.

Discussion please


Someone got his freight bumped Twisted


Yes i got my freighter bumbed... six f'**ckg hours, knowing that all they want is that i logg off, so ill lose skill based bonuses... Cry

For six hours?

I would at least try to petition, after I exhausted all other options
and found no way of getting out of this. Wouldn't even wait an hour.
Half hour max, but that's too long already for trying all available solo options.

No hate here. Just stating that bumping is fine,
but having no way of getting out of it isn't.

(you may read up on the reason for the 10mill isk mining permit fee,
which was a necessity because GMs said a bumped person needs a way
to get out of it, else he could be bumped infinitely. And THAT would then
fall into the harassment category. Interesting topic, tbh.)
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#28 - 2015-04-06 16:46:26 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Zerbyl wrote:
In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.

Discussion please


Someone got his freight bumped Twisted


Yes i got my freighter bumbed... six f'**ckg hours, knowing that all they want is that i logg off, so ill lose skill based bonuses... Cry

So instead of using this 6h to think about how to save your freighter, which is totaly possible if you actually use some effort to protect your stuff, you come to the forums and say "Halp! CCP give me a instant escape button!".

Evil RatKid
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#29 - 2015-04-06 16:55:31 UTC
But... how?

I mean I can think of ways to save it ...
... but that doesn't nessecarily lead to success.

That's what I mean.

And we can't assume that he has an alt that could web him to warp ...


Not picking sides, just curious, because I guess that with an experienced bumper
one might not qctually be able to get away. That being said, exhausting ALL options,
including looking for one on google, should the the first things on the list.
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#30 - 2015-04-06 17:05:12 UTC
I safe log every day. Pretty much if you haven't shot anyone and do it from a safe spot you're good. If anything safe logging should be harder, not easier.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#31 - 2015-04-06 17:07:16 UTC
No one would expect the freighter to be save without support in any other kind of space in EVE. But this is true for highsec too. So if you plan to move your unarmed ship completely solo, not even with an alt as support, you made wrong assumptions about the risk involved. You can ignore the risk if it is too low anyway and say it just bad luck if they get me, but that does not usually involves whining in the forums and demanding game changes.

Evil RatKid
Zerbyl
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-04-06 17:11:38 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
No one would expect the freighter to be save without support in any other kind of space in EVE. But this is true for highsec too. So if you plan to move your unarmed ship completely solo, not even with an alt as support, you made wrong assumptions about the risk involved. You can ignore the risk if it is too low anyway and say it just bad luck if they get me, but that does not usually involves whining in the forums and demanding game changes.


This isnt about my freighter or anything that i have/havent done.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#33 - 2015-04-06 17:16:13 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
No one would expect the freighter to be save without support in any other kind of space in EVE. But this is true for highsec too. So if you plan to move your unarmed ship completely solo, not even with an alt as support, you made wrong assumptions about the risk involved. You can ignore the risk if it is too low anyway and say it just bad luck if they get me, but that does not usually involves whining in the forums and demanding game changes.


This isnt about my freighter or anything that i have/havent done.

This whole thread exists because you want to logoffsky your freighter, so i think it is.

Evil RatKid
Dots
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-04-06 17:22:33 UTC

Staying logged into your freighter for 6 hours while it's bumped is like continuing to play chess when all you have left is your King. Technically it's possible to do, but it's you who is responsible for prolonging the inevitable, not the other player.

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Zerbyl
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-04-06 17:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Zerbyl
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Zerbyl wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
No one would expect the freighter to be save without support in any other kind of space in EVE. But this is true for highsec too. So if you plan to move your unarmed ship completely solo, not even with an alt as support, you made wrong assumptions about the risk involved. You can ignore the risk if it is too low anyway and say it just bad luck if they get me, but that does not usually involves whining in the forums and demanding game changes.


This isnt about my freighter or anything that i have/havent done.

This whole thread exists because you want to logoffsky your freighter, so i think it is.

Lol i dont want to logoffsky my freighter, whats the point in that? Thing that im saying is that if someone is preveting me to log off safely, when iw done everything right (dont have any mods active, not in fleet etc.), and doesnt get any timers or anything from it? that wierd in my book. Stop talking about that freighter, it was stuck in one system for 6 hour, nothing happened to it, and its happily againg hauling important stuff to important ppl between market hubs
And timer for safe logging should be 60s, too
Marech Bhayanaka
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-04-06 17:47:00 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
when iw done everything right


It appears you think that bad things shouldn't happen to people who "Do everything right". It doesn't work that way in RL and it doesn't work that way in Eve. "Doing everything right" only improves your odds.

Marech.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-04-06 19:00:00 UTC
7.5/10 - Would read again.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#38 - 2015-04-06 19:35:07 UTC
Dots wrote:
Paging Mr. Ezwal?
You rang? Ah yes, I see.
I have corrected the Wiki article to be in line with the Dev Blog and the actual game mechanics.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#39 - 2015-04-06 19:38:56 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Zerbyl wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
No one would expect the freighter to be save without support in any other kind of space in EVE. But this is true for highsec too. So if you plan to move your unarmed ship completely solo, not even with an alt as support, you made wrong assumptions about the risk involved. You can ignore the risk if it is too low anyway and say it just bad luck if they get me, but that does not usually involves whining in the forums and demanding game changes.


This isnt about my freighter or anything that i have/havent done.

This whole thread exists because you want to logoffsky your freighter, so i think it is.

Lol i dont want to logoffsky my freighter, whats the point in that? Thing that im saying is that if someone is preveting me to log off safely, when iw done everything right (dont have any mods active, not in fleet etc.), and doesnt get any timers or anything from it? that wierd in my book. Stop talking about that freighter, it was stuck in one system for 6 hour, nothing happened to it, and its happily againg hauling important stuff to important ppl between market hubs
And timer for safe logging should be 60s, too

You obviously didn't do everything right if someone
prevents you from logging off.

Also aren't you doing everything right when you simply
remove the other guy from the equation as if that made any sense.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#40 - 2015-04-06 23:02:19 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Ur missing the point here, why is there even safe logging if u just want everyone to dock and logg there? Point is, that someone is preveting u from safelogging without getting any timer or anything from it. Shooting, poiting and everthing else gives timers.

And in fact i know that code uses this in theyr advantege.

The point of safe log-off is to know with 100% certainty that the shipped you logged-off in has been removed from space.

An inordinate amount of petitions were generated by super pilots that had logged-off, and had their ships destroyed HOURS later.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/happy-safe-fun-time/