Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Good day,

The idea that has been with me for some time - Creating a Rapid Light/Heavy Missile launcher equivalent to help BC and Battleships survive in the Frig/Cruiser meta.

These weapons already exist, their current use is also practically non-existent:

Battleship-sized:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dual_250mm_Railgun_II
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dual_Heavy_Beam_Laser_II

Cruiser-sized:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dual_150mm_Railgun_II
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Quad_Light_Beam_Laser_II

Proposed solution: reduce Signature Resolution down to 167 m for BS-sized turrets and to 70 m for the cruiser variants, and adjust the damage levels lower where necessary. Tracking is already gud.

Minmatar currently don't have a third tier of Arties, so we'll have to think of something.

Relevant resource - the glorious & interactive "Eve Tracking Guide" - http://www.hostile.dk/files/eve/eve-tracking101.swf

Thoughts?

Indeed.

I'll EFT-verify the DPS levels.

As I've mentioned, Minmatar don't have their equivalent - Creating a Dual Light 250mm Artillery and Dual 650mm Artillery with lower Damage mod, high RoF and gud tracking could be an option.

Standby for DPS numbers on the turrets listed in the first poast.

Edit:

As suspected, BS-sized Dual/Quad-type versions are p bad. Numbers:

Dual 250mm Railguns with CN Antimatter and 3x Magstabs on a Hyperion = 610 DPS
Dual Heavy Beam Lasers with IN Multifrequency and 3x Heatsinks on an Abaddon = 668 DPS

Dual 150mm Railguns with CN Antimatter and 3x Magstabs on a Brutix = 619 DPS
Quad Light Beam Lasers with IN Multifrequency and 3x Heatsinks on a Harbinger = 644 DPS

In all cases, but cruiser-sized turrets especially if they are going to have 70 m Sig res, Damage modified and/or RoF would have to be reduced substantially.

CCP said otherwise with Rapid L/HMLs.

Yes. As I've mentioned, Minmatar don't have their equivalent - Create a Dual Light 250mm Artillery and Dual 650mm Artillery with lower Damage mod, high RoF and gud tracking.

High RoF, medium Damage mod, 35 sec/or whatever reload time Artillery - Yes pls

How will Amarr "reload" tho? Insane cap usage is one option, or increased crystal consumption per shot , but then you swap in a new set of crystals. vOv

Perhaps, it could be balanced in a way as to not require 35 second reloads?

I'm sure CCP can do this.

I was wondering about this one, too, and can't really think of anything that makes sense right off the top of my head. Increased crystal damage is moot on non-faction, non-tech2 crystals and having that be the trade-off would just be overcome by using T1 ammo.

A crazy requirement for cap seemed at first plausible, but that's pretty devastating to their ability to repair damage, too, on what are already typically cap hungry ships.

However, if there were a new mechanic introduced, where say said pulse turret could fire X number of times before reaching a forced cooldown period (I don't want to say it "overheats," since heat is an actual thing, but I'm sure you get the idea), that would mimic the reloading times and other drawbacks seen on Rapid Heavy/Light launchers, then we might be able to go with that.

Or on a similar note, Talos or Nagas using "rapid heavy" cruiser weapons and still doing the same damage they do presently? :P

See Abaddon/Hyperion numbers in post 3.

These turrets would have to get their Damage mod and/or RoF reduced to cruiser levels.

Tho, as an example a RHML Raven does 927 / 789 / 688 DPS with Fury/CN/Precisions - You can blap most cruisers quickly before the reload, whether that is what we need for turrets is uncertain. vOv

Some RHML use in a Raven - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYpEgRPgdVM

/hattip Beast

Well, then it would be easier to simply grant the current BS hulls a bonus to medium-sized turrets without changing much else. vOv

Fair enough.

Whatever the case, I see these turrets having moderately more DPS than the top tier short range Blasters/ACs/Pulses.

So Quad Light Beam Lasers with 70 m Sig resolution on a cruiser/BC > Small Focused Pulse Lasers on an Executioner/Coercer, for an example.
Dual Heavy Beam Lasers with 167 m Sig resolution on a battleship > Heavy Pulse Lasers on an Omen.

Dual 150mm Rails with 70 m SR on a cruiser/BC > Light Neutron Blaster setup on an Incursus/Catalyst.
Dual 250mm Rails with 167 m SR on a BS > Heavy Neutron Blasters on a Thorax.

All examples are arbitrary.

P.S. Perhaps them exceeding DPS of Smaller top tier short range weapons is a bit OP*, tho.

*Only If CCP considers current RLMLs OP.

I think this would be the perfect opportunity to use the 'flak cannon' name. Quad and dual respectively.