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Safe logging and mechanic

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Zerbyl
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-04-06 08:40:52 UTC
In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.

Discussion please
Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
#2 - 2015-04-06 08:41:52 UTC
1st! o7
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2015-04-06 08:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
How could you think you would be able to safe log if someone is targeting you?

That's hardly a safe condition.

90% right doesn't cut it. You need to be 100% ok to safe log off:

- not in a fleet
- no modules active
- not in warp
- no timers

So in your situation, being targeted creates a timer. You can't safe log off in that condition.
Zerbyl
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-04-06 09:35:26 UTC
Being targeted doesnt create timers
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#5 - 2015-04-06 10:10:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Zerbyl wrote:
Being targeted doesnt create timers

Yeah you are right. Not right expression on that bit.

Same effect. You aren't in a safe state when you are targetted.

Thanks for the correction.

The full list is here:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Safe_logoff
Black Pedro
Mine.
#6 - 2015-04-06 10:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Zerbyl wrote:
In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.

Discussion please

How is it fair that you get to avoid a PvP engagement by logging out?

Clearly you weren't doing something right if someone is about to shoot you.

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#7 - 2015-04-06 10:27:16 UTC
What's the point of this thread besides it being a rant ...
... about how you are FORCED ...
... WITH A GUN ...
... to stay logged in?

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Panda McLegion
#8 - 2015-04-06 10:34:46 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Being targeted doesnt create timers


Neither does activating modules, moving your ship, jettisoning cans, deploying drones or a number of other things that prevent you from using safe logoff. Obviously you are intended to have severe restrictions beyond just combat timers to be able to logoff safely.

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Zura Namee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-04-06 13:15:48 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.

Discussion please


If someone has a lock on you, you are not even remotely safe. It doesn't matter if they're your best friend in the history of the universe and sitting in a shuttle, you are not safe. If someone has a lock on you, go somewhere else before safe logging.
Angelica Everstar
#10 - 2015-04-06 13:22:08 UTC
Targeting is not an issue.

The 30 secs is a HUGE issue - should have been 60 secs.
Try scanning anyone down in a safespot in 30 secs, and get them targeted Evil

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Zerbyl
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-04-06 14:47:23 UTC
You cannot be safely logging off while:

You have active modules
You are ejecting from a ship
You have aggression from players or NPCs
Your ship is exploding or self-destructing
You are issuing movement commands
You are launching or jettisoning objects
You are joining a fleet
You are deploying or reconnecting with drones
You have a target lock
You are warping
You are decloaking


List doesnt say anything about being targeted, it just says u cant have a lock while safe logging
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#12 - 2015-04-06 15:06:32 UTC
Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space.

Evil RatKid
Dots
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-04-06 15:06:51 UTC

The more accurate dev blog language simply didn't make it into the wiki. Paging Mr. Ezwal?

Quote:
You have a target lock or are targeted


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Zerbyl
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-04-06 15:14:34 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space.


Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it?
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#15 - 2015-04-06 15:18:28 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space.


Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it?

When some one is around to be able to target you, you are by definition not safe.
Zerbyl
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-04-06 15:20:45 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Zerbyl wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space.


Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it?

When some one is around to be able to target you, you are by definition not safe.


If some is within target range of me that means im not safe? c'mon
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#17 - 2015-04-06 15:37:19 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
Zerbyl wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space.


Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it?

When some one is around to be able to target you, you are by definition not safe.


If some is within target range of me that means im not safe? c'mon

Yes, he could target you and shoot you. Just dock and then log... problem solved

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Zerbyl
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-04-06 15:42:50 UTC
Ur missing the point here, why is there even safe logging if u just want everyone to dock and logg there? Point is, that someone is preveting u from safelogging without getting any timer or anything from it. Shooting, poiting and everthing else gives timers.

And in fact i know that code uses this in theyr advantege.
Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
#19 - 2015-04-06 15:43:48 UTC
Zerbyl wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
Zerbyl wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space.


Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it?

When some one is around to be able to target you, you are by definition not safe.


If some is within target range of me that means im not safe? c'mon


what other reason there is for somebody to target and locked you other than to shoot you? c'mon What?
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#20 - 2015-04-06 15:44:56 UTC
If you want to safely log out in space, just warp to somewhere, where there is nobody around.
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