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Why does CCP hate us?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#121 - 2015-04-04 03:48:25 UTC
An amazing trojan suggestion

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#122 - 2015-04-04 05:48:55 UTC
They hate us for our freedom.

Or something like that.

Roll
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2015-04-04 08:50:58 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:

At Fanfest it was shown that when new players lose a ship they are subscribing more often than players who do not lose a ship. Your "few people" isn't anything else but a "few people". It has no meaning in the argument.


Context - break it down by players losing a ship to NPCs, consensual PVP, non-consensual PVP, etc. and the "facts" may show something different (maybe). Ultimately what I posted before is anecdotal but its certainly been my experience with those players who are new to the game and getting suicide ganked early on tends to discourage them from sticking with the game more than it "inspired" them to get more into the game (as before I don't think having high sec as super safe is the answer either).


Getting ganked is exactly why I stuck around. For revenge. Which I got. Then I took over a whole low sec constellation with some friends, was a small part of some other big stuff in and around Khanid, and have had a lot of fun in the last three years. If just getting ganked is enough to discourage someone from sticking around, then they weren't cut out for the nitty-gritty of EVE anyway, so it's no real loss.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#124 - 2015-04-04 12:55:36 UTC
so my first thought when I read this thread was that if carriers are truly worthless now, the prices must have tanked. Surely people must be giving them away or maybe even paying you to take them off their hands.

Huh. Not really the case. I guess OP is full of it.

Okay, that's a lie. My first thought was that OP is full of it. Then I checked the markets.

Them markets: they don't lie.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#125 - 2015-04-05 22:46:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Getting ganked is exactly why I stuck around. For revenge. Which I got. Then I took over a whole low sec constellation with some friends, was a small part of some other big stuff in and around Khanid, and have had a lot of fun in the last three years. If just getting ganked is enough to discourage someone from sticking around, then they weren't cut out for the nitty-gritty of EVE anyway, so it's no real loss.


Depends a bit - getting ganked once is one thing - one of the people I'm talking about was ganked multiple times before they'd even had enough time in game to figure out how to deal with it or familiar enough with the game to see past it.

Glathull wrote:
so my first thought when I read this thread was that if carriers are truly worthless now, the prices must have tanked. Surely people must be giving them away or maybe even paying you to take them off their hands.

Huh. Not really the case. I guess OP is full of it.

Okay, that's a lie. My first thought was that OP is full of it. Then I checked the markets.

Them markets: they don't lie.


Carriers aren't worthless now - far from it - full on fighter roles (completely ignoring skynet) are a niche by far even by carrier use standards - but its a fairly long road to get to (100s of days of training just for the core skills necessary) - bare in mind that most people who are skilled up for a full 15 fighter setup would have had to have started training towards that goal long before CCP made the changes that made skynet a thing (so wouldn't have been doing it with the intention of doing skynet). Now 9/10th of their (fighter) functionality and potential use has been removed with a casual wave of the hand - for anyone who'd actually trained towards their use with a goal in mind thats a pretty bitter ending.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2015-04-06 02:24:52 UTC
CCP cares about what will keep money rolling in. Their bottom line is what determines how the game is designed. Thank your peers for the changes.

This is the same CCP that had monocle gate and removed clones to make things easier for cry babies.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2015-04-06 04:41:41 UTC
Because there is no communication between people within CCP. Part of what draws people to EVE are massive fleet battles. Look at all the publicity B-R5RB gave the game. Even big news outlets that weren't dedicated to gaming were reporting on it like the BBC. Big fleet battles are what 90% of the trailers are about for crying out loud. The marketing team is making bank on these huge fleet fights and acknowledge that is what excites potential new players the most.

So why the hell is the dev team trying to implement mechanics that would reduce the likelihood of large battles from happening? Has marketing not told them about how much they rely on large battles to attract attention?

It's like everyone is in their own little corner at CCP when suddenly they realize an update is due and they have to slap everything together.

CCP doesn't hate us. They're just disconnected and disjointed.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#128 - 2015-04-06 06:02:52 UTC
Because every Null player whines about the soul crushing lag, bugs, and CCP have to pour liquid nitrogen over the servers to stop them melting whenever one of those big fights occurs.
I.E. It's not fun for any of the parties involved to have half of EVE in one system.

Hopefully the new design makes for some big fights still, but spread out over a Constellation, with actual tactics as well as some mighty clashes. It's not like there won't be timers still, just no soul crushing structure grinds anymore. And timers are what bring those fleets together.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#129 - 2015-04-06 10:04:56 UTC
they hate us 'cuz they ain't us Cool
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2015-04-06 13:18:29 UTC
Starry Enigma wrote:
Used to be a good 50k people in EVE on weekends a few years ago, now about 38k. What do you think will happen now after these crazy patches?

If CCP hates this game so much, why not just close it? They're taking out so much which people worked for for all these years.

EVE is dying
If you say it enough times, it is true maybe?

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2015-04-06 13:19:56 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Starry Enigma wrote:
Used to be a good 50k people in EVE on weekends a few years ago, now about 38k. What do you think will happen now after these crazy patches?

If CCP hates this game so much, why not just close it? They're taking out so much which people worked for for all these years.

EVE is dying
If you say it enough times, it is true maybe?


Moar alts!

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#132 - 2015-04-06 20:33:25 UTC
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#133 - 2015-04-07 18:49:16 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Ioci wrote:
They don't hate us. The Player, company relationship has fallen victim to the issue that plagues all of EVE. We don't trust them and they don't trust us.
The level of paranoid in this game is pure poison. The level of set back when you don't play it smart and be paranoid is just as poisonous.


Dude not everyone is mentally instable like you



Sure, lets make it personal because that always ends well doesn't it, you ignoramic fuckface.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Jenshae Chiroptera
#134 - 2015-04-07 18:54:48 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Ioci wrote:
They don't hate us. The Player, company relationship has fallen victim to the issue that plagues all of EVE. We don't trust them and they don't trust us.
The level of paranoid in this game is pure poison. The level of set back when you don't play it smart and be paranoid is just as poisonous.
Dude not everyone is mentally unstable like you
Sure, lets make it personal because that always ends well doesn't it, you ignoramic fuckface.
That is a very relaxed and calm response. He is obviously wrong. P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#135 - 2015-04-07 19:14:53 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ioci wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Ioci wrote:
They don't hate us. The Player, company relationship has fallen victim to the issue that plagues all of EVE. We don't trust them and they don't trust us.
The level of paranoid in this game is pure poison. The level of set back when you don't play it smart and be paranoid is just as poisonous.
Dude not everyone is mentally unstable like you
Sure, lets make it personal because that always ends well doesn't it, you ignoramic fuckface.
That is a very relaxed and calm response. He is obviously wrong. P


When you see text, say it in your head with a variety of emotional influences. Say it in rage/ disgust, say it laughing to yourself, say it in a lets see where this goes, mischievous application. Consider the likely case. Or just jump to conclusions and wonder why nothing ever results in anything productive.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Jenshae Chiroptera
#136 - 2015-04-07 19:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Ioci wrote:
... case. Or ...
This is just one example why that post made no sense. I recommend that you, take a break and come back tomorrow with a clear head.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#137 - 2015-04-07 19:40:13 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ioci wrote:
... case. Or ...
This is just one example why that post made no sense. I recommend that you, take a break and come back tomorrow with a clear head.


You seem a bit uptight, in a desperate search to find some flaw in things I say. So desperate that you are reduced to citing And and or in sentence structure. Your advice is yours to give and maybe yours to take.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Jenshae Chiroptera
#138 - 2015-04-07 19:51:58 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ioci wrote:
... case. Or ...
This is just one example why that post made no sense. I recommend that you, take a break and come back tomorrow with a clear head.
You seem a bit uptight, in a desperate search to find some flaw in things I say. So desperate that you are reduced to citing And and or in sentence structure. Your advice is yours to give and maybe yours to take.
Reply like you. Can not doing. Try maybe I Google Translate. Back and forward.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#139 - 2015-04-07 20:54:18 UTC
hahaha we can say fuckface

brilliant
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#140 - 2015-04-07 21:13:27 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ioci wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ioci wrote:
... case. Or ...
This is just one example why that post made no sense. I recommend that you, take a break and come back tomorrow with a clear head.
You seem a bit uptight, in a desperate search to find some flaw in things I say. So desperate that you are reduced to citing And and or in sentence structure. Your advice is yours to give and maybe yours to take.
Reply like you. Can not doing. Try maybe I Google Translate. Back and forward.


Welcome to the internet. Feel free to head back to your own forums and make fun of yet another person who doesn't live and breath the nerdery of debug and database tech.

/insert nerd snort here

R.I.P. Vile Rat