Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh, the casual pirate should most certainly be able to engage the casual wormhole player. The casual pirate should not be able to casually take out the structure that it took the casual wormhole player a month to build without at least a bit more than casual effort...

It is always easier to destroy than it is to build, but let's posit this:

CWR (Casual Wormhole Resident) moves into a wormhole and puts up a Large Research Station. He slots this station with guns, ewar, and defensive mods in addition to having a Data Core Research Modules, Dock Space, and some minor production in the service slots. Let's say he parks this station above his main PI planet to receive deliveries. He also builds regular POCO stations above the other planets and generally constructs a nice little industrial center to be his EVE home. Some people like building things.

Along comes MCP (Mr. Casual Pirate). He does some scanning and finds CWR hopping around to his various POCOs retrieving his PI production or maybe CWR is in a MAC mining out a signature. A nice juicy target, MCP drops by to see if he can blow something up... (Because some people just like to watch the world burn.) Maybe MCP was watching D-scan, perhaps not, maybe he got his pod out, maybe not... I call THAT the ability to engage CWR by MCP...

So let's say CWR sees MCP's probes on d-scan and warps back to his Large, Heavily Armed, Fully Operational Research Station, docks up, and takes manual control of the defenses. What now? In my view of how structures should work, unless MCP heads out and rounds up a gang of 8-10 like minded, heavily equipped battlecruisers/battleships there SHOULD NOT be much danger to the station. Most importantly if MCP comes back to destroy CWR's home the next day while CWR is at his RL job, he should not log back on to find his wormhole home in ruins all because his station's defenses were not active while he was off line...


Bottom line: It should take a concerted effort equal to at least a percentage of what it took to build the structure to destroy it... Otherwise it is not worth building in the first place.

So:
1) Yes to Structure Passive Defenses
2) Yes to Dock-able Structures in Wormholes
3) NO to silly Entosis games in Wormholes

Because without these CWR will not be there in the wormhole in the first place for MCP to engage...

-Web

+♥ to that

burned farms and barren fields just like a shaken up sov?

sounds great


after so long about how they will end blobber nullsec structure dreams, now themselves feel their structures threatened? hah

because your cap blobs or whatever won't work. wait, is this goons crying about moa ending them or what now

Just a small list w-space structure users would need:
If we are looking at a structure we should be able to see who is online and in what ships they are in.
I prefer we see all that intell by looking at ships not by doing show info or some kind of dscan window.Eve has to much spreadsheets to do it again in that way.
D-scanning while moored should also be possible and seeing space with overview also .
We should also be able to see people switching ships

Staging use, we need a safe place to assemble a fleet and align it to a destination.
People need to be able to align and get to warpspeed in safety before getting vulnerable. And this for fleet align use as for getting out when the structure is about to be destroyed.
And full warp disruptor bubble cover of the structure should be possible like the pos system now.

I prefer to only see ships moored/soft-moored wich have people in it.the rest could just e-warp out or be inside the structure like a sma.
You should be able to switch ships while moored/softmoored wiithout being vulnerable.
Ships should also be ejectable like you can now, and float out of "safe" range.
Seeing ships and people that are active , things that are unactive should be able to be stored(up to a certain volume).

When moored/softmoored you still should be able to refit, repair, move in and out of ships.
Loggin off or loggin in should make you appear softmoored at the place you were.
Unless the structure got moved/destroyed.

Softmoored ships should appear on d-scan moored not.

Structures need to be warpable , since we can't locate them on d-scan if they are not moonlocked (maybe like an anomaly).
If they are only scanable by probes then defenders would have to much free intell.
The structures in w-space should not let people dock .
Pods at the most .
And only if you can get info on them without active tools the people can detect .
So maybe only XL post can have docking but can't be able to be used into w-space.
Also don't let people be able to moor/softmoor at the small structures, people need to be gathered to gether.
I would want to have to search for a 50 man fleet in a system with 100+small structures all doin the same as a L or XL structure.

I for one never want to be able to dock in wormhole space. Nor do I want others to be able to dock up. Intel gathered/given up from being logged in a pos is a huge mechanic that would be lost if docking would be possible.
I would prefer a forcefield that I can see. By a visible shield or some other indicator(like bomb radius).
Soft-mooring bumping preferably not by enemies.

Number of moor point, just scale it like the way the ship maintanace arrays can fit now, except maybe the XL who can fit the same size als stations.

Allow moored ships to become part of the structure's defenses at a cost .

Most importantly, don't bring docking games to w-space. Ever.
It's one of the things ALL wormholers intentionally fled because docking games SUCK.

Looks like all the null sec and low sec dudes only care about supercaps, don't you guys have subcap fleet to assemble, align, safe up and bridge?

Worries :
intell of people inside structure.
fleet assembly, align to warp out, safe place, fir/refit/repair
docking games changed to mooring games.
Timers to dock/moor and undock/unmoor is not a good way to play.



Most importantly, don't bring docking games to w-space. Ever.
It's one of the things ALL wormholers intentionally fled because docking games SUCK.

Soft mooring may be necessary for people to feel that using the Mooring feature is worth anything.

The closest equivalent to XL structures is NPC Stations.

It's also worth noting that Soft Mooring could be more like a sort of undocking timer++, rather than the current POS shield which is entirely and completely dependent on distance and nothing else. There's nothing stopping you from popping out, shooting, and ducking back in to the shield. With Mooring and Docking replacing these mechanics it's possible to limit the availability of docking games, POS games, reindeer games, or any other undesirable shenanigans that might go on.

It's certainly likely to be better than the current POS setup. Among other things the current POS shield mechanics encourage an excessive number of bubbles for containing the occupants or blocking off access to the POS, while something like Mooring and undocking could allow a small number of bubbles (possibly combined with your own offensively anchored structure even?) since you can drop them closer to the target or right on the undock point.

Personally I'd like to see some kind of variation on the current Weapons Timer with Mooring, so at the very least you can't re-Moor right after firing, but with the option to un-moor and jump, warp, safe-log-off, or otherwise do something before getting attacked as long as no other mechanic actively prevents that (like a bubble stopping you from warping off).

I'm looking forward to this

I'm thinking mooring spots are going to be perma-bubble by trolldictors that fly with trollceptors... Hopefully CCP doesn't allow bubbles on mooring spots, or else... yupp more bubble games.

Number of places people could moor...... I don't see that being a global issue. Sure someone might try and trap you, so take control of the structure weapons and blow them up, blow their bubbles up, etc.

Remember these structures have teeth, so camping the structure isn't going to be possible in the same way, they actually have to commit some serious forces to be able to camp your undock assuming CCP get weapons which can engage a fleet appropriately (As in making it so it doesn't insta blap a solo ship but can still engage a decent number reasonably).
So I don't see mooring/undock games happening with the current proposal.

Also with the changes coming CCP may finally give us 'windows' into space properly from all structures & stations.
I'm fine with an undock invuln timer like current also to allow people to load grid as well, but beyond that, it's POS shield V2.