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Gremoxx
Wing Commanders
#1 - 2015-04-05 15:38:12 UTC
I would like to submit this idea and get your feedback.

With the new Beta map this idea was born, endless possibilities :)

As the mechanics are at the moment,
you light cyno at the desired location and you either jump or bridge the fleet over. This is pinpoint jumping.
The same goes for covert-cyno.

I would like to propose changes to the way we use cyno´s and jump Black-ops, capitals, Super-Capitals and bridge fleets.

Skill for Pinpoint jumping to bookmarks will be added, without it you will appear with 50km deviation from your jump to point that can be brought down to 15km with lvl 5 skill .

1. Black-ops and Jump-Freighters will be able to jump to bookmarks,
2. Black-ops and Jump-Freighters will be able to jump to covert cyno
3. Capitals and Super-Capitals will be able to jump to bookmarks in low-sec and own space, and cyno for pinpoint jumping.
4. Cyno is needed when you jump to hostile space (any 0.0 system not held by your alliance is hostile)
5. Cyno will act like WH gate, it will only accept xxx mass before it collapses (limits qty of capitals that can jump to cyno)
6. Only 3 Cyno´s can be lit simultaneously at any grid, if 4th is lit, then all will collapse due to spacial interference.


First when I started to play the game I thought Black Ops could jump or bridge to bookmarks, or why else would they be "the final word in clandestine maneuvers".
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-04-05 16:03:36 UTC
You got a WHY handy?
Gremoxx
Wing Commanders
#3 - 2015-04-05 16:15:15 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
You got a WHY handy?


1. Its one mechanics that has hardly changed in years, apart from Titans not being able to jump to Covert Cyno.
2. Everything I see at the moment seems to be to end Capitals, I dont want them to go so I´m proposing something that could help limit capitals brought in for fights.
3. I want EVE to stay fresh, even for us who have played for years.
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-04-05 16:21:39 UTC
Gremoxx wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
You got a WHY handy?


1. Its one mechanics that has hardly changed in years, apart from Titans not being able to jump to Covert Cyno.
2. Everything I see at the moment seems to be to end Capitals, I dont want them to go so I´m proposing something that could help limit capitals brought in for fights.
3. I want EVE to stay fresh, even for us who have played for years.

1: If it's not broke, don't fix it.

2: Your change only makes it slightly easier to bring in the capitals, but does not give any reason to actually bring them in. Getting a capital to a local fight is not an issue in fozziesov, it's having a reason to do so, which your idea does nothing to change.

3: Eve can stay fresh by adding in more reasons for people to fight over things, and more ways to do it. Neither "Has not changed" nor "Stay Fresh" are reasons to change something. They are effects of a change.

Two of your ideas are "reasons" that apply to literally every change ever made, on the mistaken assumption that changing something always results in an improvement to the game.

And your last proposed change only effects how easy it is to get capitals onto a grid. It does nothing to fix the base issue that fozziesov has, which is "why do I deploy capitals in the first place under the new system"
Gremoxx
Wing Commanders
#5 - 2015-04-05 16:38:47 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Gremoxx wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
You got a WHY handy?


1. Its one mechanics that has hardly changed in years, apart from Titans not being able to jump to Covert Cyno.
2. Everything I see at the moment seems to be to end Capitals, I dont want them to go so I´m proposing something that could help limit capitals brought in for fights.
3. I want EVE to stay fresh, even for us who have played for years.

1: If it's not broke, don't fix it.

2: Your change only makes it slightly easier to bring in the capitals, but does not give any reason to actually bring them in. Getting a capital to a local fight is not an issue in fozziesov, it's having a reason to do so, which your idea does nothing to change.

3: Eve can stay fresh by adding in more reasons for people to fight over things, and more ways to do it. Neither "Has not changed" nor "Stay Fresh" are reasons to change something. They are effects of a change.

Two of your ideas are "reasons" that apply to literally every change ever made, on the mistaken assumption that changing something always results in an improvement to the game.

And your last proposed change only effects how easy it is to get capitals onto a grid. It does nothing to fix the base issue that fozziesov has, which is "why do I deploy capitals in the first place under the new system"


1. Why does it have to be broken to change it ?
2. If we will have Capitals after Fozziesov, one way of limiting amount of capitals that can be brought to fight is by limiting the mass that can be jumped to each cyno, and not everyone will have bookmarks in destination system.
3. Not everything in EVE is about PVP, although it is important.

The butterfly effect is too often played down. Most often it is the small changes that have the biggest impact, you shave little bit of resistance here, add it there and apply it to how we play the game.. and hey presto - we dont have mass drake fleets, or that we have everyone in Isthars.
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-04-06 00:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Gremoxx wrote:

1. Why does it have to be broken to change it ?
2. If we will have Capitals after Fozziesov, one way of limiting amount of capitals that can be brought to fight is by limiting the mass that can be jumped to each cyno, and not everyone will have bookmarks in destination system.
3. Not everything in EVE is about PVP, although it is important.

The butterfly effect is too often played down. Most often it is the small changes that have the biggest impact, you shave little bit of resistance here, add it there and apply it to how we play the game.. and hey presto - we dont have mass drake fleets, or that we have everyone in Isthars.


1: Because there are dozens of other things that ARE broken that need fixing. Spending time "fixing" things that are not broken is by default lower on the list of priorities than fixing things that are.

2: A: First, that's not at all related to what I said. We don't have much of a reason to deploy capitals (other than triage) in fozziesov. Making it easier or harder to get capitals in system is irrelevant to the lack of a reason to deploy them in the first place, which you idea does nothing to address.

Second, BM's can be copied and exchanged with ease. With a little practice, one person with a BM in corp can copy it from corp BM's into personal, duplicate it many times to inventory, and then trade to someone from each other corp (Who then copies it into their corp BM's) that needs to jump to the BM. All in about 2-3 minutes, and then another 5 minutes for the BM to propagate to all members.

3: Your idea is about PvP, unless I missed the memo where mass limits on cyno's and landing accuracy on capital jumping would influence PvE AT ALL. Even JF moving falls into PvP than PvE.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#7 - 2015-04-06 01:34:24 UTC
Change the actual mechanics of cynos so the person lighting them has to do something other than click once and then alt+tab.

Done. Boom.

Meaningful changes that make people pay attention and do things in space.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#8 - 2015-04-06 23:21:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
lol no jumping in HS please of any kind

no jumping with out cyno

and no stealth JF jumps

and uh... trust me i'v hunted in provi before the last thing you guys want is for people to be able to bridge to your system w/o some one that has to get there

EDIT:


the only thing i would like changed with bridging is purely ascetic in that i would like the Wormhole to reflect the modern look of Wormholes or at the very least show the nebula of the system you are bridging to.


as for jumping i would like to see the flare change based on the Isotopes used so rather than a bunch of red flashes(this still looks awsome) you would see a mix of yellows blues reds and greens

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble