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Corporate security checks

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Marech Bhayanaka
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-04-05 01:50:05 UTC
I've been reading recruitment threads recently, and of course many of them mention security checks, which makes sense in a game full of spies and betrayals. But today I thought about it a bit and realized I have no idea what the checkers are looking before, beyond the obvious "Did he work for the enemy."

Are there things I (and others) should avoid doing because they would make it harder to find a corp in the future?

Marech.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2015-04-05 01:56:58 UTC
Delete everything in your mail folder before applying.

Other than that, let them have their fun and then change your API key.

Mr Epeen Cool
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#3 - 2015-04-05 02:04:25 UTC
OP, I wouldn't try to tailor your gameplay to make you recruitable at some point in the future.

Just play how you want to play and when you come to applying for a Corp, there are Corps out there to match every playstyle. It's just a matter of finding the one that matches how you play, rather than being worried about your past being a barrier to recruitment (it'll be an asset if you apply to the right Corp).

As a recruiter myself who actively speaks to other recruiters regularly, in most cases, Corps say they conduct security checks, but in reality a large number of them do next to nothing.

Those that do conduct security checks have their own approach, so it is difficult to outline a single set of things they will look for. What they look for depends largely on what the Corp does to begin with.
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-04-05 02:13:30 UTC
As far as I am aware private messages can't be viewed by them which in my opinion makes the full API thing laughable. But I suppose those that don't care or aren't paying attention will perhaps have information discovered about them.
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#5 - 2015-04-05 02:52:57 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
As far as I am aware private messages can't be viewed by them which in my opinion makes the full API thing laughable. But I suppose those that don't care or aren't paying attention will perhaps have information discovered about them.

If you mean chat conversations, yes they are not available as the logs are stored locally.

If you mean mail messages, no they can be read from a full API.

You can test this yourself, just create a new full API, put it into API Jacknife and click along the menu at the top (mail will show you the mail messages, which you can then read):

http://ridetheclown.com/eveapi/audit.php
Hengle Teron
Rorquals Anonymous
Two Maidens One Chalice
#6 - 2015-04-05 03:01:03 UTC
The first thing to check is probably if and who's alt are you.

You can see it by the source of the income of the applicant.
Valkin Mordirc
#7 - 2015-04-05 03:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
When I was doing things like this, I would check mails, to see who you are talking to, pretty easy to hide though just delete your mails, but an empty mail box is also a big red sign if are up to nefarious deeds delete the mails that are incriminating rather than purging the entirety of it all.

Checking Assets is another good way to figure out somethings. People who have been playing for 1+ years who tend to have ALOT of things, tend to be mains. While alts have only a few ships and such.

Wallet history is another good way. See if anybody is send large amounts of isk to somebody else can show alt hood.

Also if some deletes their API after, it another sign they might be trying to hide something.


If you are not up to no good though. Then it's just a good idea to keep yourself open and honest.
#DeleteTheWeak
Dots
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-04-05 03:33:57 UTC

Unless you are training to be a spy, I would suggest you don't deal in deception at all. Life is just simpler that way.

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Vyl Vit
#9 - 2015-04-05 03:41:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
The way you know if you can trust somebody is by trusting them.

With majority rule, the majority dictates the form things take. Since those who excel are always in the minority, their vision never prevails. Rather, you have the tyranny of the mediocre in a democracy. The progeny of democracy comprise this player base, so guess what...

There are those who are convinced they must "investigate" someone "to be sure." One thing these folks are for sure about is, they're not very bright and couldn't really tell you whom you can trust and whom you can't, so they pretend procedure (they can't really explain to you) takes out the "human" element. By "human" we're supposed to believe "prone to fail."

The way you find out who you can trust is by trusting them. If they prove themselves trustworthy, then they are. If not, then not. This "investigation" has more to do with the ignorance of those claiming to use it than it does with any player's behavior. I run spies. That's what I do. (Obviously, not on this toon.) Gaining trust is how it's done. Nothing appearing in any so-called "investigation" of any EVE data reveals anything useful, but as long as who I am duping is looking there, they aren't looking where they should be, so further....this way of thinking makes one vulnerable to spies who know their business.

Play your game the way you see fit. Don't bend to the truisms and "wisdom" of so-called veteran players. Realize, there are hundreds of very experienced management-level players who understand well how all of this is done. You may not look "trustworthy" to one of those idiots mentioned above, but if you play a good game, train well, and are honest, the ones who do know will know and that's all you really need.

Enjoy the game. Ignore ignorance.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Darren Airtex
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-04-05 04:43:47 UTC
Never underestimate the power of stupid when it is in a group.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-04-05 05:08:54 UTC
Scipio and Dots hit it on the head. Unless you plan on making a permanent change to your playstyle that actually suits you, don't avoid doing anything just because random corp number 43259832475 might not approve of it.

I've always played this game exactly how I wanted to, and it just so happened that my desires lined up with a few decent corporations along the way. I don't hide anything, and I've never felt compelled to lie about anything to anyone.

Christ, I'd make a horrible spy.
Mithandra
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-04-05 07:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mithandra
API keys deliver a lot of good information, not just who you've been evemailing.

No system of checks is perfect however.

EVE pilots are tricksie little hobbitsis and WILL find a way to hide their nefarious practices if their intent is malodorous.

API Key checking should be used with a rigorous corp security policy.

Trust no one verify everything, and don't make someone a director unless you either know them, or have met them and have an address, and know where their wife does her shopping and their kids go to school.


Even totally "clean" characters raise alarm bells. As a recruiter, yes, I am that paranoid

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-05 08:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Marech Bhayanaka wrote:
I've been reading recruitment threads recently, and of course many of them mention security checks, which makes sense in a game full of spies and betrayals. But today I thought about it a bit and realized I have no idea what the checkers are looking before, beyond the obvious "Did he work for the enemy."

Are there things I (and others) should avoid doing because they would make it harder to find a corp in the future?

Marech.


It's more than just "Did he work for the enemy?" but much more. Did you ever contact the enemy? Are you fresh out of an NPC corp? Did you recently receive/send a large sum of money from/to an odd source? Have you ever fought allies? Do you change corps very often? Did you recently create contracts specifically for a suspicious person or an outright enemy? Have you ever been part of a corp known for spying/awoxing?

The list goes on a little futher, and a good recruiter will be checking for all of these things. Honestly though, if you aren't a spy or awoxer and don't intend to ever be one, then you shouldn't run into trouble. That said, the best recruiters are paranoid as hell and will suspect you until they no longer need to.

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Kestrix
Federation of Independent Pilots
#14 - 2015-04-05 09:53:09 UTC
Marech Bhayanaka wrote:
I've been reading recruitment threads recently, and of course many of them mention security checks, which makes sense in a game full of spies and betrayals. But today I thought about it a bit and realized I have no idea what the checkers are looking before, beyond the obvious "Did he work for the enemy."

Are there things I (and others) should avoid doing because they would make it harder to find a corp in the future?

Marech.


Alts in this game make security checks a joke and take away any and all consequences of spying and betrayals as it is next to impossible to link a disposable alt on one account to a valued main on another that has a valued reputation.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-05 14:21:27 UTC
Kestrix wrote:
Marech Bhayanaka wrote:
I've been reading recruitment threads recently, and of course many of them mention security checks, which makes sense in a game full of spies and betrayals. But today I thought about it a bit and realized I have no idea what the checkers are looking before, beyond the obvious "Did he work for the enemy."

Are there things I (and others) should avoid doing because they would make it harder to find a corp in the future?

Marech.


Alts in this game make security checks a joke and take away any and all consequences of spying and betrayals as it is next to impossible to link a disposable alt on one account to a valued main on another that has a valued reputation.

I wouldn't go that far. /whistle
Trajan Unknown
Reikoku
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#16 - 2015-04-05 15:33:13 UTC
I always delete my mails after a short time. I don´t like a crowded mailbox so why should I keep them?

If people think that this behaviour is suspicious talk to my hand :D
As if good spies would use bloody mails to communicate, seriously, how stupid someone can be?


edit: Forget my last question.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
#17 - 2015-04-05 23:47:59 UTC
Kestrix wrote:
Marech Bhayanaka wrote:
I've been reading recruitment threads recently, and of course many of them mention security checks, which makes sense in a game full of spies and betrayals. But today I thought about it a bit and realized I have no idea what the checkers are looking before, beyond the obvious "Did he work for the enemy."

Are there things I (and others) should avoid doing because they would make it harder to find a corp in the future?

Marech.


Alts in this game make security checks a joke and take away any and all consequences of spying and betrayals as it is next to impossible to link a disposable alt on one account to a valued main on another that has a valued reputation.



Actually its not that hard.....and it really depends on how disposable that alt is hmmm? Hint: watch for the ones that keep having contact with those seemingly getting doomheimed, sold, or just plain inactve for eternity all the time.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-04-06 01:23:14 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
The way you know if you can trust somebody is by trusting them.

With majority rule, the majority dictates the form things take. Since those who excel are always in the minority, their vision never prevails. Rather, you have the tyranny of the mediocre in a democracy. The progeny of democracy comprise this player base, so guess what...

There are those who are convinced they must "investigate" someone "to be sure." One thing these folks are for sure about is, they're not very bright and couldn't really tell you whom you can trust and whom you can't, so they pretend procedure (they can't really explain to you) takes out the "human" element. By "human" we're supposed to believe "prone to fail."

The way you find out who you can trust is by trusting them. If they prove themselves trustworthy, then they are. If not, then not. This "investigation" has more to do with the ignorance of those claiming to use it than it does with any player's behavior. I run spies. That's what I do. (Obviously, not on this toon.) Gaining trust is how it's done. Nothing appearing in any so-called "investigation" of any EVE data reveals anything useful, but as long as who I am duping is looking there, they aren't looking where they should be, so further....this way of thinking makes one vulnerable to spies who know their business.

Play your game the way you see fit. Don't bend to the truisms and "wisdom" of so-called veteran players. Realize, there are hundreds of very experienced management-level players who understand well how all of this is done. You may not look "trustworthy" to one of those idiots mentioned above, but if you play a good game, train well, and are honest, the ones who do know will know and that's all you really need.

Enjoy the game. Ignore ignorance.
This is very well written. It's worth the read for that alone. The truth in it is profound, though, making it +2. You de man. Now, see how many ignore it and your point is proved by reality itself, as it should be.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Marech Bhayanaka
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2015-04-06 04:51:06 UTC
Lots of interesting responses above. Thank you all!

One more question ... I came across one otherwise attractive looking corp that specifies they want a non-expiring API key. I believe this would give them ongoing access to my email. I don't plan any shenanigans, but this seemed a bit creepy.

Is this a commonly accepted practice?

Marech.
Valkin Mordirc
#20 - 2015-04-06 04:59:48 UTC
Also to the OP.

API keys and such are not always used to check if your an evil goonswarm/pl/randomcorp1522452 spy, I also used my to keep track of new player skills, using EVEboard, you can help guide people into getting the right skills find things they might be missing, or use it evaluate your corp and form doctrines around it.
#DeleteTheWeak
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