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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#21 - 2015-04-03 18:04:05 UTC
Indeed these Drifters do seem to be quite intelligent, and a very dangerous foe if I may say so myself. An interesting option I recently thought up would be the use of Energy Vampires. Say you sent in a Assault Fleet, bringing down the Drifters shields. You then send a fleet with a large number of high-level energy vampires, draining the ship. It is possible you may be able to stop or at least delay the ships superweapon with enough draining. Also, you should read this Feeding a Drifter. It is a very, very interesting article, one we may be able to look into and could lead to some new revelations so we can eventually destroy this threat, or at least reduce its magnitude.

As for now, I will continue to study these Drifters and data on engagements with the threat, and also succesful strategies and so on. Also, please do send me a message of the location of a cleared out drifter sight.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-04-03 22:14:54 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good.

That being said, I'm offering my combat experience to the mix as well and ask that my fellow Capsuleers join me in this endeavor as it will surely take a great deal of coordination and firepower to actively engage and strike out against them. I will also join any coordinated effort to engage the Drifter threat that is within my capabilities.

Further more, I cannot expect that any capsuleer would risk their engagements and endeavors for free. As such I am formally requesting CONCORD to escalate the Drifters' notoriety in the form of standardized bounties. Until such an event occurs, I myself am offering what I can: 10,000,000 ISK for each confirmed Drifter kill. I encourage others to offer what they can to increase the incentive toward this movement.

UPDATE: A formal thank you toward the alliance, Overload Everything, for fielding their own fleet and destroying a Drifter recently.

Leave drifters alone.

They don't look like attacking or damaging anything, unlike Gallenteans from gallente federation or these flesh drones from Sansha nation. The only strike forces we need, are against Gallente Federation and Sansha Nation. They are the real threat to sentient life in the cluster, not drifters.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-04-04 03:38:43 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good.

That being said, I'm offering my combat experience to the mix as well and ask that my fellow Capsuleers join me in this endeavor as it will surely take a great deal of coordination and firepower to actively engage and strike out against them. I will also join any coordinated effort to engage the Drifter threat that is within my capabilities.

Further more, I cannot expect that any capsuleer would risk their engagements and endeavors for free. As such I am formally requesting CONCORD to escalate the Drifters' notoriety in the form of standardized bounties. Until such an event occurs, I myself am offering what I can: 10,000,000 ISK for each confirmed Drifter kill. I encourage others to offer what they can to increase the incentive toward this movement.

UPDATE: A formal thank you toward the alliance, Overload Everything, for fielding their own fleet and destroying a Drifter recently.

Leave drifters alone.

They don't look like attacking or damaging anything, unlike Gallenteans from gallente federation or these flesh drones from Sansha nation. The only strike forces we need, are against Gallente Federation and Sansha Nation. They are the real threat to sentient life in the cluster, not drifters.


The only real threat to sentient life is the ramblings of the insane who make accusations and proclamations without base or evidence save for the shallow, cherry-picked, bigoted appeals to rally.

Take your insanity away from me and my associates, least you incur the wrath of a man with nothing but time, finances, and uncontrollable anger.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-04-04 07:43:29 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:

The only real threat to sentient life is the ramblings of the insane who make accusations and proclamations without base or evidence save for the shallow, cherry-picked, bigoted appeals to rally.

Take your insanity away from me and my associates, least you incur the wrath of a man with nothing but time, finances, and uncontrollable anger.

Oh, so you are a gallentean bootlicker then? No one else would call facts as "insanity", that's typical gallentean rant.
You won't be able to deny truth here, and will be dealt with as any other enemy of civilization and humanity.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-04-04 12:13:11 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:

The only real threat to sentient life is the ramblings of the insane who make accusations and proclamations without base or evidence save for the shallow, cherry-picked, bigoted appeals to rally.

Take your insanity away from me and my associates, least you incur the wrath of a man with nothing but time, finances, and uncontrollable anger.

Oh, so you are a gallentean bootlicker then? No one else would call facts as "insanity", that's typical gallentean rant.
You won't be able to deny truth here, and will be dealt with as any other enemy of civilization and humanity.


I am an Intaki independant with no loyalties or affiliations to anyone but myself and the people of Intaki. Feel free to make your ancestors proud by putting metal where your mouth is. I'm sure the patriots would like another martyr.

I'll be waiting in the usual locations.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Tykari
The Observatory
#26 - 2015-04-04 12:49:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good.

That being said, I'm offering my combat experience to the mix as well and ask that my fellow Capsuleers join me in this endeavor as it will surely take a great deal of coordination and firepower to actively engage and strike out against them. I will also join any coordinated effort to engage the Drifter threat that is within my capabilities.

Further more, I cannot expect that any capsuleer would risk their engagements and endeavors for free. As such I am formally requesting CONCORD to escalate the Drifters' notoriety in the form of standardized bounties. Until such an event occurs, I myself am offering what I can: 10,000,000 ISK for each confirmed Drifter kill. I encourage others to offer what they can to increase the incentive toward this movement.

UPDATE: A formal thank you toward the alliance, Overload Everything, for fielding their own fleet and destroying a Drifter recently.

Leave drifters alone.

They don't look like attacking or damaging anything, unlike Gallenteans from gallente federation or these flesh drones from Sansha nation. The only strike forces we need, are against Gallente Federation and Sansha Nation. They are the real threat to sentient life in the cluster, not drifters.

I would like to point out that Sansha's Nation was long ignored as a threat untill suddenly they started invading Empire space. Afterall they were mostly confined to their own space and didn't agress much unless you attacked them.

I'd be wary about the Drifters. Their actions aren't random and they are dangerous. We know very little about them or what exactly they are planning. They have ignored all attempts at communication and have no trouble eliminating us when we try to understand what exactly they are up to. We have to be careful we don't make the same mistake twice, because with the Drifter such a mistake could mean the destruction of New Eden as we know it.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-04-04 14:46:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Nomistrav wrote:

I am an Intaki independant with no loyalties or affiliations to anyone but myself and the people of Intaki. Feel free to make your ancestors proud by putting metal where your mouth is. I'm sure the patriots would like another martyr.

I'll be waiting in the usual locations.

"Usual locations" for gallente or their bootlicking Intaki lapdogs is shaking under the bed, when Caldari boots are marching nearby. I am not in the mood chasing a forum loudmouth all over the cluster, I have better things to do.

But if you really wish to die, I am staying in Kurala constellation lately. When you will be there - ping my neocom to see if I am available to splat you all over station walls, or busy killing something more significant.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-04-04 14:51:39 UTC
Tykari wrote:

I would like to point out that Sansha's Nation was long ignored as a threat untill suddenly they started invading Empire space. Afterall they were mostly confined to their own space and didn't agress much unless you attacked them.

I'd be wary about the Drifters. Their actions aren't random and they are dangerous. We know very little about them or what exactly they are planning. They have ignored all attempts at communication and have no trouble eliminating us when we try to understand what exactly they are up to. We have to be careful we don't make the same mistake twice, because with the Drifter such a mistake could mean the destruction of New Eden as we know it.

I see what you are saying.
Yet Sansha keep uplifting peoples from planets.
Gallenteans keep occupying our worlds and Caldari Prime.
While the drifters just sit there...

Count of victims by hands of Sansha and Gallente keep rising every day. Victims of drifters so far only those, who are attacking them.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-04-04 19:40:18 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:

I am an Intaki independant with no loyalties or affiliations to anyone but myself and the people of Intaki. Feel free to make your ancestors proud by putting metal where your mouth is. I'm sure the patriots would like another martyr.

I'll be waiting in the usual locations.

"Usual locations" for gallente or their bootlicking Intaki lapdogs is shaking under the bed, when Caldari boots are marching nearby. I am not in the mood chasing a forum loudmouth all over the cluster, I have better things to do.

But if you really wish to die, I am staying in Kurala constellation lately. When you will be there - ping my neocom to see if I am available to splat you all over station walls, or busy killing something more significant.


You'd do well to acknowledge that many of those Intaki are Caldari sympathizers and you insult them as well with your rampant ignorance.

Thank you for telling me your general location - should be enough to narrow down where you here in the next few hours. I'll be sure the mercenaries give my warmest regards when they blockade you into the station.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#30 - 2015-04-04 21:39:53 UTC
Tykari wrote:

I would like to point out that Sansha's Nation was long ignored as a threat untill suddenly they started invading Empire space. Afterall they were mostly confined to their own space and didn't agress much unless you attacked them.


Conveniently leaving out the part where the Empires attacked first.

Come to think of it, you lot were also the first to open fire on the sleepers as well. And now it seems the sleepers have woken up and brought friend's. I am detecting a pattern.
Tykari
The Observatory
#31 - 2015-04-04 22:33:27 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Tykari wrote:

I would like to point out that Sansha's Nation was long ignored as a threat untill suddenly they started invading Empire space. Afterall they were mostly confined to their own space and didn't agress much unless you attacked them.

Conveniently leaving out the part where the Empires attacked first.

Come to think of it, you lot were also the first to open fire on the sleepers as well. And now it seems the sleepers have woken up and brought friend's. I am detecting a pattern.

Not convenient at all. Yes the Empires decided to clean house but they didn't finish the job and let things be afterwards. As for the Sleepers. The moment we approached one of their sites their response was to attack. No attempts at communication we could detect. And if we are going assign blame. Nation hardly seems innocent when it comes to attacking and waking up the Sleepers judging by the Silent battlegrounds.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#32 - 2015-04-04 22:50:48 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Tykari wrote:

I would like to point out that Sansha's Nation was long ignored as a threat untill suddenly they started invading Empire space. Afterall they were mostly confined to their own space and didn't agress much unless you attacked them.


Conveniently leaving out the part where the Empires attacked first.

Come to think of it, you lot were also the first to open fire on the sleepers as well. And now it seems the sleepers have woken up and brought friend's. I am detecting a pattern.


Conveniently leaving out that Casus belli was already firmly established before the attack. Particularly for the Minmatar, and by virtue of our Alliance with the Federation.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-04-05 00:26:27 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:

I am an Intaki independant with no loyalties or affiliations to anyone but myself and the people of Intaki. Feel free to make your ancestors proud by putting metal where your mouth is. I'm sure the patriots would like another martyr.

I'll be waiting in the usual locations.

"Usual locations" for gallente or their bootlicking Intaki lapdogs is shaking under the bed, when Caldari boots are marching nearby. I am not in the mood chasing a forum loudmouth all over the cluster, I have better things to do.

But if you really wish to die, I am staying in Kurala constellation lately. When you will be there - ping my neocom to see if I am available to splat you all over station walls, or busy killing something more significant.


You'd do well to acknowledge that many of those Intaki are Caldari sympathizers and you insult them as well with your rampant ignorance.

Thank you for telling me your general location - should be enough to narrow down where you here in the next few hours. I'll be sure the mercenaries give my warmest regards when they blockade you into the station.

Are you one of those Anslo-like loudmouth clowns, who scream and promise a lot, but in fact are just balloons of hot air, that are unable to do anything except squealing on forums, right?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-04-05 02:26:44 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:

I am an Intaki independant with no loyalties or affiliations to anyone but myself and the people of Intaki. Feel free to make your ancestors proud by putting metal where your mouth is. I'm sure the patriots would like another martyr.

I'll be waiting in the usual locations.

"Usual locations" for gallente or their bootlicking Intaki lapdogs is shaking under the bed, when Caldari boots are marching nearby. I am not in the mood chasing a forum loudmouth all over the cluster, I have better things to do.

But if you really wish to die, I am staying in Kurala constellation lately. When you will be there - ping my neocom to see if I am available to splat you all over station walls, or busy killing something more significant.


You'd do well to acknowledge that many of those Intaki are Caldari sympathizers and you insult them as well with your rampant ignorance.

Thank you for telling me your general location - should be enough to narrow down where you here in the next few hours. I'll be sure the mercenaries give my warmest regards when they blockade you into the station.

Are you one of those Anslo-like loudmouth clowns, who scream and promise a lot, but in fact are just balloons of hot air, that are unable to do anything except squealing on forums, right?


Pot calling the world a pot.

Remember, you came into this thread, not the other way around.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-04-05 09:55:58 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:


Pot calling the world a pot.

Remember, you came into this thread, not the other way around.

1. Your tiny insignificant person is not the whole world.
2. I came to the thread to discuss the proposition, yet you decided it would be better to discuss and insult me. You even dared to threat me, of course it looks like your threats will stay just incompetent shaking of air, just like incompetent and empty you are as a speaker.

You have lost your argument, when instead of arguing with me, you have descended to petty groundless insults like these:
Nomistrav wrote:

Take your insanity away from me and my associates, least you incur the wrath of a man with nothing but time, finances, and uncontrollable anger.

You are out of facts, you are incompetent, you are nobody and your points are invalid.
I have no idea why I even waste my time by answering to you and writing obvious things.

Please excuse me everyone for this outburst, except Nomistrav.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#36 - 2015-04-05 18:38:39 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good.

Shoot first, ask questions later. Beyond typical.

And they are collecting Capsuleers for their Jovian based implant tech and compatible biomass.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#37 - 2015-04-05 22:39:06 UTC
Who is this Dianna Kim person?

Asking because I deal with Cal Mil customers all the time.....
But sheesh a proposal for an Anti-drifter force and she comes in here insulting people and trying to use this as a Pro-Militia War platform.

Now Dianna outside of the fact of being a loyal Caldari Citizen, I am an industrialist and these things have something I want.
If you do not want to be involved in such an endeavor then please go back to the War Front where you needed and take your issues with you. I doubt anybody with a mind for business or even trying to study these things gives one damn wit about your extremist propoganda.

Gallente are not the only threat.....and besides in my estimation its better we the Caldari try to get some of the tech oppurtunities being offered before the Feds do.
So please....lets us mostly Civilian experts do what we do best and take your Govermental Military Yammering back to your side of the bureacratic red tape!
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-04-06 01:16:16 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good.

Shoot first, ask questions later. Beyond typical.

And they are collecting Capsuleers for their Jovian based implant tech and compatible biomass.


We've been asking questions and I've personally shadowed some drifters and seekers for many long hours, as has everyone else. We've mostly come to the conclusion that we've learned all we can, for the moment, and it is better to strike back and try to stem the reaping of corpses while we have an opportunity to do so than to continue waiting as more capsuleers' corpses are harvested.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-04-06 01:31:47 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Who is this Dianna Kim person?

Asking because I deal with Cal Mil customers all the time.....
But sheesh a proposal for an Anti-drifter force and she comes in here insulting people and trying to use this as a Pro-Militia War platform.

Now Dianna outside of the fact of being a loyal Caldari Citizen, I am an industrialist and these things have something I want.
If you do not want to be involved in such an endeavor then please go back to the War Front where you needed and take your issues with you. I doubt anybody with a mind for business or even trying to study these things gives one damn wit about your extremist propoganda.

Gallente are not the only threat.....and besides in my estimation its better we the Caldari try to get some of the tech oppurtunities being offered before the Feds do.
So please....lets us mostly Civilian experts do what we do best and take your Govermental Military Yammering back to your side of the bureacratic red tape!


She'll be dealt with soon enough. For now, just ignore her and let us go back to the discussion at hand, please.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#40 - 2015-04-06 02:32:00 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good.

Shoot first, ask questions later. Beyond typical.

And they are collecting Capsuleers for their Jovian based implant tech and compatible biomass.


We've been asking questions and I've personally shadowed some drifters and seekers for many long hours, as has everyone else. We've mostly come to the conclusion that we've learned all we can, for the moment, and it is better to strike back and try to stem the reaping of corpses while we have an opportunity to do so than to continue waiting as more capsuleers' corpses are harvested.



Many Capsuleers scavenge bodies and have vast collections of capsuleer corpses. Out of curiosity, what makes the Drifter corpse collecting such a massive red light that you must attack that which does not attack you first?