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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#521 - 2015-04-04 02:43:29 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
There's this thing called the "help" channel, might be of interest to you.


You mean "English Help" channel? LOL, I never even was aware that existed until just now... Smile (Such chat channels weren't anything I was aware of as a newbie, then once I joined a group I just used them to ask questions.) Sure, repurpose that and make trial accounts auto-join.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#522 - 2015-04-04 02:53:36 UTC
they do auto join the help channel
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#523 - 2015-04-04 03:10:38 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
they do auto join the help channel


I thought that was the rookie help channel, that they're kicked out of after a while...? Anyway, thanks for the info, I didn't realize newbies were auto-joined to the English Help channel.
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#524 - 2015-04-04 03:16:44 UTC
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#525 - 2015-04-04 08:01:36 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
they do auto join the help channel


I thought that was the rookie help channel, that they're kicked out of after a while...? Anyway, thanks for the info, I didn't realize newbies were auto-joined to the English Help channel.

I'm not sure he didn't actually mean that one,
because you only get forced into rookie-help usually.

Makes no sense to have a noob in two helpchats at once, too.
That would only be confusing.
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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#526 - 2015-04-04 15:10:37 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Apparently there's this huge problem of newbies being griefed out of the game.

If you read the NPC corp thread people are equating this 1% ganked statistic to the 90% that drops out of game.



So..1% of the time, they are griefed out every time?

Wait.... so... does this mean that CCP is catering to the 1%? Shocked

if my math is correct, that means in reality, 9000% percent of players are quitting because of grieving.


True or the (waiting for skill training to compleet for "beginners" are just to long) i guess.

Grieving is fun. Like you are trolling the GN forums. Its the same no harm done. Just a little fun. But i guess like in real life
people get upset easy.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#527 - 2015-04-04 16:34:42 UTC
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Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#528 - 2015-04-04 18:04:43 UTC
True facts are not trolling.

It was off topic, I give you that.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#529 - 2015-04-04 18:13:53 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
If you read the NPC corp thread people are equating this 1% ganked statistic
NPC corps high population is a result of broken war mechanics and corps not having enough value to new players.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jade Blackwind
#530 - 2015-04-04 18:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
TBH, war mechanic isn't really "broken".

But is is unfair, yes, and one-sided, like everything else in this game.

Much like ganking and CODE harassing miners, it weeds out those who aren't ready or expects anything else.

Is it for the better or for the worse?

Probably, for the financial health of CCP as a company, it's for the worse.

But the vocal minority loves it, so who cares. I personally have no problems with EVE PvP and never fly anything I can't throw away.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#531 - 2015-04-04 20:23:20 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Thanks btw Twisted
You are a complete numptie. It is rather obvious that I am talking from a personal perspective and was tempering what was said about miners rage quitting. Roll



lol ... you are trying to moonwalk out of your own grave you also dug yourself.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#532 - 2015-04-04 20:25:04 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Thanks btw Twisted
You are a complete numptie. It is rather obvious that I am talking from a personal perspective and was tempering what was said about miners rage quitting. Roll



lol ... you are trying to moonwalk out of your own grave you also dug yourself.


Look at their post history.

An army of Zombie Michael Jacksons couldn't moonwalk their way out of that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#533 - 2015-04-04 23:38:40 UTC
Did you just doxx yourself?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#534 - 2015-04-04 23:42:54 UTC
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"See how they run" Lol

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#535 - 2015-04-04 23:52:34 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Did you just doxx yourself?

If so, he's even more awesome in my book, for nothing more than the Immortal Technique image.
Dots
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#536 - 2015-04-05 00:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dots
So as a continuation to what Eli, myself, and others were discussing, specifically Re: correlation is not causation. Y'all can take a crack at interpreting the data if you'd like.



From EVE Fanfest 2015: Data Science behind EVE by CCP Quant:

  • 15:35 CCP is looking at what behavior during a player's months 1-3 (referred to as "onboarding period") contributes to them staying subscribed in month 4.

  • "The most important variable in deciding on whether you still play in month 4 was whether you got your ship destroyed by another player.. followed by the size of the corporation you joined"

  • Here are the graphs. When you look at the trees below, dark grey is players that quit, white is players still playing. So more white patches is better. "Yes" is to the left of the graph.

    • The "tree depth 2", the first image below is the tl;dr. It compares two extremes:

    1. Most likely to stay in the game = ship victim + in a corp of X size (35% for NPC, 50% small/large corp, 55%medium corp)

    2. Most likely to leave = ship never blown up + mining (70-80% of the time these people leave the game)


    Tree depth 2 <-- tl;dr. click this!
    Tree depth 3
    Tree depth 4

  • 20:20 Starting a person in Ship Hangar vs. Captains Quarter, there was "absolutely no difference" to player retention.

  • 20:36 New Opportunities is "really promising, showing players far more likely to stick with the game".




Also, here is a big version of types of players vs. game activities.

everything is better with ᵈᵒᵗˢ on it

New Player Opportunities: a gallery
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#537 - 2015-04-05 00:12:15 UTC
Dots wrote:

So as a continuation to what Eli, myself, and others were discussion, specifically Re: correlation is not causation. Y'all can take a crack at interpreting the data if you'd like.



From EVE Fanfest 2015: Data Science behind EVE by CCP Quant:

  • 15:35 CCP is looking at what behavior during a player's months 1-3 (referred to as "onboarding period") contributes to them staying subscribed in month 4.

  • "The most important variable in deciding on whether you still play in month 4 was whether you got your ship destroyed by another player.. followed by the size of the corporation you joined"

  • Here are the graphs. When you look at the trees below, dark grey is players that quit, white is players still playing. So more white patches is better. "Yes" is to the left of the graph.

    • The "tree depth 2", the first image below is the tl;dr. It compares two extremes:
    1. Most likely to stay in the game = ship victim + in a corp of X size (35% for NPC, 50% small/large corp, 55%medium corp)
    2. Most likely to leave = ship never blown up + mining (70-80% of the time these people leave the game)

    Tree depth 2
    Tree depth 3
    Tree depth 4

  • 20:20 Starting a person in Ship Hangar vs. Captains Quarter, there was "absolutely no difference" to player retention.

  • 20:36 New Opportunities is "really promising, showing players far more likely to stick with the game".




Also, here is a big version of types of players vs. game activities.



Dot still thinks logic, reason and actual measurable empirical evidence actually means something to these people.

*Southern U.S. Grandma voice*

Ain't that just precious!

*/Southern U.S. Grandma voice*
Jenshae Chiroptera
#538 - 2015-04-05 00:42:33 UTC
Dots wrote:
1. Most likely to stay in the game = ship victim + in a corp of X size (35% for NPC, 50% small/large corp, 55%medium corp)

2. Most likely to leave = ship never blown up + mining (70-80% of the time these people leave the game)

Tree depth 2 <-- tl;dr. click this!
Tree depth 3
Tree depth 4

Also, here is a big version of types of players vs. game activities.
How many were looking to PVP?
How many were avoiding PVP?
How many defending space?
How many exploring?
How many in travel fits?
How many were bait?
How many were suicide attacking?
How many were ambushed?
How many quit after their ship blew up?
How many quit after a social interaction?
How many quit for real life reasons?
Was that counting only active members in the corp?
How much interaction did the older accounts have with the newer ones in that corps?

That is just the tip of the iceberg from the top of my head.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#539 - 2015-04-05 00:51:10 UTC
It is apart of the fear mongering Propaganda machine that is the NULL SEC POWERBLOCK! Shocked

we must leave them in fiery ruin to protect the chil..um..Noobelahs!! Twisted
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#540 - 2015-04-05 00:52:03 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

That is just the tip of the iceberg from the top of my head.


Your desperation to disqualify the data is ever more apparent.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.