Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Whaaahhh its to hard to catch them...CCP should just nerf cloaking.

You know what else is hard....activating ANY modules while cloaked...I tell ya sometimes it feels impossible.

You aren't worried about cloaking. You are afraid of a name in local that you do not know. That is it. Period. A cloaked ship can do NOTHING to you.

Still does not answer the question.



Thats not how statistics work. Not being able to determine a probability, does not mean that the probability is not determined.
Just because there is no way to determine who is right (because we lack information), does not mean that we both can be right at the same time if we make contracting statements about the probability.




Thats not an argument. Simply a statement that is wrong.



The last part which you ignored is possible, although it carries the risk mentioned. And I specifically said "If there was", so obvously I am not referring to botting since this exists, and even when I did not specify, it should be obvous I mean a method that is not against the TOS/EULA.
Still no argument from your side.




I already wrote a lengthy post about risk and reward, you probably didnt read it. "Having found a way" does not entitle to imabalanced gameplay.
Or do you really think it does? Then would you apply that for the other side too? So assuming I found a (legal) way to instantly blow up every non-friendly ship in sov systems (with a method that involves no cost on my side), that should not be changed right? I found a way, it increases your risk for coming iny my system and makes me perfectly safe, so thats fine. Cant chage that anymore. Cant lower my risk without increaseing yours even more.

That is a completely and totally false statement Lucas. Because removing local would remove AFK cloaking and you do give a crap about that.

Backtracking noted.

What backtracking? None of that is anything I haven't said before. Quite honestly mate you are just trolling at this point. You have no intention of actually reading what people write, you have no intention of an actual discussion, you are simply going to misrepresent pretty much everything and repeat the same inane nonsense you usually do in this situation. When you actually have something relevant to say, let me know.

It's actually quite different to be AFK in a station as we've already discussed multiple times (which you've probably once again ignored), but no, I wouldn't mind if they logged out all AFKies stations or not after a set time.

You can't tell, that's exactly the problem - when an AFK player can appear as the same threat as an active player. See a docked player can be watched and as soon as they move, well before they can affect anything, they can be seen. An AFK cloaker can seamlessly move back into being active and appear right next to a target. That's why an AFK cloaker has to be treated as an active threat while a docked player is a passive one.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, I've supported that idea too multiple times, I've even supported a simple flag to be added to local so an AFK player can be seen as such, with no other mechanics changed. I really don't care how it's done as long as neither side of active players is disporportionately affected, it just seems quite likely from what CCP have put forward that cloakers will be able to be decloaked once in a while.

Lol? So you skipping over the part about the problem being that you can't tell if they are AFK or not?

It's nto a phantom threat, it's a simple fact that you don't know a player is AFK and a non-AFK player is very much a threat, thus you have to treat cloakers as a threat.

Local is used to see them, sure, I've stated this myself, but removing local has other repercussions. Such as the swift death of NRDS for example, and the mass exodus of PvE players from null.

And yes, I'll continue to deny it's my fear because you will never ever ever see me in a PvE ship in null. I'm a trader, I trade. When I'm undocked, I'm in a PvP ship and generally in a fleet, so it's irrelevant if there are other players around, AFK or not.

Oh and good job on just skipping over the entire second part of the post. I'm guessing it's because you had absolutely no counter to me agreeing with you, so you thought you'd just pretend it never happened and go right back to trolling.

Please Lucas, you were extremely careless in your commentary and when called on it you complain that people aren't considering the context of your previous posts. And to make it even more pathetic when somebody makes a comment you'll completely drop the context of previous posts and attack them. Like all that "destroy null" nonsense.

Exactly how is being AFK in station different?

Do they pose any risk? No.
Are they 100% safe? Yes.
Could they become active and undock in a ship and try and attack you? Yes.

Does and AFK Cloaker pose any risk? No.
Are they 100% safe? Yes.
Could they become active and try and attack you? Yes.

The missing part is...?

Did the people docked in station can dedock to kill you without you now it ? Now you must see him when he dedock.
Did the station is invulnerable ? No you can take the station.

The missing part was: You can counter station docking, have a lot of "solution" . You have no solution against cloak



And i repeat : Perma cloack permit Moral harrassement it's illegal in a lot of country . CCP must change it if they want avoid some problem.

If you are a true pvp player enjoy the nerf of perma cloak : more active pvp, more activity in 0.0 , more people in 0.0 (less afraid by "**** a perma cloacker i can't play during X hour/day/month without loose one pve ship per day minimum), more strategical thing.
And when i read cry of people who play only by perma cloack to have kill mail/disrupt enemy : Adapt or die. Actually you have no counter, people just want one counter to make you become content and not only people who ransom. Yes pve player want more pvp content ... the content of kill perma clocker. they want pvp.

And nerf local is not a solution against true intel, in fact true intel by local is countered by the fact your enemy can have info about your system (farming and mining) without be in your system.