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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#1 - 2015-04-03 21:19:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Amak Boma
chelsea dagger x is scammer. do not trade him anything on station . just lost expensive fitted tech3 cruiser to scam
got scammed in amarr system. lost 400m~ . wonderful how rude people are on this small electronic world.
is there anything that can be done with scammers?
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2 - 2015-04-03 21:33:00 UTC
Hello friend, so sorry to hear about your loss. Can you share more details about what happened and how?

Evil RatKid
Mag's
Azn Empire
#3 - 2015-04-03 22:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Amak Boma wrote:
is there anything that can be done with scammers?
Stop giving them your ISK and/or assets would be a start.

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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#4 - 2015-04-03 22:53:49 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Hello friend, so sorry to hear about your loss. Can you share more details about what happened and how?


guy tricked me on trade and sold my near 1b fitted (hull with subs and rigs was worth total 400m) legion for 400k 400 thousand isk
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2015-04-03 22:55:32 UTC
So you used the trade window? Don't do that. Contracts are a thing for a reason.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-04-03 23:15:01 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
is there anything that can be done with scammers?


The only thing that could be done is preventing players from giving isk and assets to other players in any way except through market activity and contracts. That would break a lot of other non-scamming uses of those functions.

On you're end though, taking the time to learn how scammers make their money is worthwhile, because you'll learn the things to watch out for. General rules of thumb though are: if it's too good to be true, it is; if something can go badly for you, it will; if someone can find a way to get things from you for free, they'll try.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#7 - 2015-04-03 23:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
So you used the trade window? Don't do that. Contracts are a thing for a reason.


Dat thing is evil I tell you.

Altho, I did conduct a business deal involving a client who wanted to buy my BPCs for a stash of items that he had. As you know, blueprint copies can't be requested via WTB contracts, so we used the Trade window. Smile

Both of us commented afterwards that it was nerve wracking. Shocked

...

I'VE NEVER FELT SO ALIVE, TRADING WITH THE -=TRADE WINDOW=-. The thrill, the pressure and THE SUSPENSE of that Green Tick hanging over your livelihood... Items IN - IN - Heart PUMPING... Click ACCEPT.

Pray, DON'T look yet...

DON'T EVER LOOK IN YOUR HANGAR/WALLET AFTER A TRADE WINDOW DEAL.

...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤

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Willow Windwalker
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-04-03 23:30:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Willow Windwalker
Amak Boma wrote:

guy tricked me on trade and sold my near 1b fitted (hull with subs and rigs was worth total 400m) legion for 400k 400 thousand isk


I don't understand: he sold YOUR ship under value and kept the money? Could you please provide more detail (how did you meet, why did you meet, why didn't you notice earlier? etc)
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#9 - 2015-04-03 23:49:12 UTC
announced on local i want to sell the legion as wanted buy something else, then guy did short convo, then trade popup came in , placed ship he placed isk. . in fact he placed 400k . didnt look properly . my fault . lol
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#10 - 2015-04-04 00:10:20 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
announced on local i want to sell the legion as wanted buy something else, then guy did short convo, then trade popup came in , placed ship he placed isk. . in fact he placed 400k . didnt look properly . my fault . lol


DON'T EVER LOOK IN YOUR HANGAR/WALLET AFTER A TRADE WINDOW DEAL.

Then it's all good.

...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤

[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Fighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2015-04-04 00:19:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Amak Boma wrote:
chelsea dagger x is scammer. do not trade him anything on station . just lost expensive fitted tech3 cruiser to scam
got scammed in amarr system. lost 400m~ . wonderful how rude people are on this small electronic world.
is there anything that can be done with scammers?
Learn from your mistakes. Using the trade window is fraught with risk.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2015-04-04 04:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
....or you're just to fast to accept the trade. The mistake however clearly lies with you as he did nothing unusual.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#13 - 2015-04-04 04:41:03 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
announced on local i want to sell the legion as wanted buy something else, then guy did short convo, then trade popup came in , placed ship he placed isk. . in fact he placed 400k . didnt look properly . my fault . lol


This is the crux of the matter. YES it was your fault. Even with this fact you then go on to accuse your client to be a scammer. It could have been an honest mistake. You might have reacted as you have on the forums. they decided to middle finger you. I know I would have.

As long as you "Learn" from the experience, then imo it was a good experience.

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#14 - 2015-04-04 11:54:46 UTC
Scamming is strictly forbidden in EvE Online, a short Google search will provide multiple statements of the Devs to such effect.

I suggest a strongly worded petition to CCP who will surely return the ISK to you and deal most harshly with that scammer!
Such behavior must not be tolerated!

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#15 - 2015-04-04 12:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Scamming is strictly forbidden in EvE Online, a short Google search will provide multiple statements of the Devs to such effect.

I suggest a strongly worded petition to CCP who will surely return the ISK to you and deal most harshly with that scammer!
Such behavior must not be tolerated!


could have fooled me, +1 to this.


OP, learn from this experience and move on and next time don't use trade. i even have reluctance in doing it between my toons. Big smile

EDIT: got trolled

Just Add Water
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#16 - 2015-04-04 13:35:16 UTC
learned to count zeros when i had to use avogadro constant....im assuming you havent had the pleasure.

i suggest finding a similar exercise. because things.....stuff....scams.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#17 - 2015-04-04 19:32:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Scamming is strictly forbidden in EvE Online, a short Google search will provide multiple statements of the Devs to such effect.

I suggest a strongly worded petition to CCP who will surely return the ISK to you and deal most harshly with that scammer!
Such behavior must not be tolerated!


could have fooled me, +1 to this.


OP, learn from this experience and move on and next time don't use trade. i even have reluctance in doing it between my toons. Big smile

EDIT: got trolled

I accidentially clicked your pic ...
... read the above post ...
... realised ...

.... hahaha gold, thanks for making me read the OP's post!


Awesome, but short thread!

Thanks! XD
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Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-04-07 12:48:24 UTC
I never traded like that, so can someone enlighten me on how it can happen?

I put up an item for sale, he places his ISK. I see that amount is OK and press OK/Done/whatever, at which point he reduces the amount and completes the deal? if that is the case, then it is an inherently flawed system.

Or is it that the guy reduces the amount before I hit OK, and I, being lazy/greedy/not paying attention, press OK and thus get shafted? Well then it is completely my fault and I dont understand why I see so many complaints about it.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#19 - 2015-04-07 14:06:19 UTC
Bagatur I wrote:
I never traded like that, so can someone enlighten me on how it can happen?

I put up an item for sale, he places his ISK. I see that amount is OK and press OK/Done/whatever, at which point he reduces the amount and completes the deal? if that is the case, then it is an inherently flawed system.

Or is it that the guy reduces the amount before I hit OK, and I, being lazy/greedy/not paying attention, press OK and thus get shafted? Well then it is completely my fault and I dont understand why I see so many complaints about it.

There's a chance of abusi g short lag to change the amount
and hit ACCEPT again.

It's always the victim's fault, though,
because not waiting a few seconds is what gets them scammed.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2015-04-07 19:28:52 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
chelsea dagger x is scammer. do not trade him anything on station . just lost expensive fitted tech3 cruiser to scam
got scammed in amarr system. lost 400m~ . wonderful how rude people are on this small electronic world.
is there anything that can be done with scammers?


Im willing to take on the case for either party, but ill need to see some proof before I bring the case before the C&P Board of Inquiry.

Now, if you are unable to present the required proof, and youd wish to engage my services (which are highly coveted by the way) I will require a small retainer of 250mil ISK to begin investigation, and I charge 100mil ISK per hour. All services will be invoiced. Once my investigation of the incident is complete, which will include interviews with both parties, I will submit my findings and C&P will render judgment.

If you require references for my services, im sure any number of former clients will be happy to post here about their experiences.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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