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SiSi Mirrior.

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Khuros Khan
Barely Effective
Scumlords
#1 - 2015-03-30 03:14:52 UTC
When will the next mirrior? I just bought a toon and would like to test stuff with him.
Matthew97
#2 - 2015-03-30 08:06:37 UTC
Whenever CCP feels necessary, there's no set date. It could be tomorrow or in 6 months
ekimju
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-03-30 23:11:40 UTC
a lot of people are waiting for the mirror =/ spent a lot of money transferring characters around and on plex as well. they should at least give us a time frame or update accounts on request. i don't wanna buy anything more myself until then.
Matthew97
#4 - 2015-03-30 23:41:39 UTC
I don't fully understand why that should even matter? You pay for access to TQ and whatnot, nothing for Singularity. Sisi is not a right and CCP can pull access whenever they feel like. Be thankful that they even give us a test server to help better the main server.
ekimju
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-03-31 23:19:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ekimju
Matthew97 wrote:
I don't fully understand why that should even matter? You pay for access to TQ and whatnot, nothing for Singularity. Sisi is not a right and CCP can pull access whenever they feel like. Be thankful that they even give us a test server to help better the main server.
I dont fully understand why you have to pretend its not a problem when it is to a alot of us. we put in alot of money transferring characters and plex. to be told theres no plans on a mirror and thats the only way.. they could easily take requests for account updates instead of the mass mirror.
Spacial Girl
Ethereal Beings
#6 - 2015-04-01 04:28:38 UTC
ekimju wrote:
Matthew97 wrote:
I don't fully understand why that should even matter? You pay for access to TQ and whatnot, nothing for Singularity. Sisi is not a right and CCP can pull access whenever they feel like. Be thankful that they even give us a test server to help better the main server.
I dont fully understand why you have to pretend its not a problem when it is to a alot of us. we put in alot of money transferring characters and plex. to be told theres no plans on a mirror and thats the only way.. they could easily take requests for account updates instead of the mass mirror.


>Minority - Not that many players need entire accounts updated for new toons.
>Entitlement - I paid to transfer a character != I paid a separate subscription for Singularity
>Entitlement - Updating individual accounts instead of mirroring regularly would create un-necessary work for both the Devs and the machine that has to handle those database transactions.

I'd hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Server is for CCP not us.
Your $$$ just happens to pay for it.
Just because I pay for my internet doesn't make me entitled to walk into strangers homes expecting a free connection because I helped pay for the infrastructure and maintenance costs behind it.
ekimju
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-04-01 04:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ekimju
Spacial Girl wrote:
ekimju wrote:
Matthew97 wrote:
I don't fully understand why that should even matter? You pay for access to TQ and whatnot, nothing for Singularity. Sisi is not a right and CCP can pull access whenever they feel like. Be thankful that they even give us a test server to help better the main server.
I dont fully understand why you have to pretend its not a problem when it is to a alot of us. we put in alot of money transferring characters and plex. to be told theres no plans on a mirror and thats the only way.. they could easily take requests for account updates instead of the mass mirror.


>Minority - Not that many players need entire accounts updated for new toons.
>Entitlement - I paid to transfer a character != I paid a separate subscription for Singularity
>Entitlement - Updating individual accounts instead of mirroring regularly would create un-necessary work for both the Devs and the machine that has to handle those database transactions.

I'd hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Server is for CCP not us.
Your $$$ just happens to pay for it.
Just because I pay for my internet doesn't make me entitled to walk into strangers homes expecting a free connection because I helped pay for the infrastructure and maintenance costs behind it.
is that why test server is public for how many years ? then encourage people to come ? You know how many people help for free as well that would do it for no cost at all.. just because you do not have any problems and already have everything you need doesn't make it just fine and dandy. since you dont work at ccp either. its meaningless until we have talk to devs.
Darkblad
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-04-01 09:38:04 UTC
Creating a new mirror is not trivial and involved several of CCP's departments. CCP Goliath provided a rough description of the process here.

It appears like that's nothing that can be done more often than it's currently happening (around every three months).

NPEISDRIP

ekimju
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-04-01 11:56:40 UTC
others will be fine with it for whatever reason except when it happens to them and others will be upset after spending time and money. they dont wanna tell us anything either because people abused it before. isn't that all just great.
Matthew97
#10 - 2015-04-01 12:08:20 UTC
Once again, you haven't spent time nor money on Singularity. If you bought a character you bought it for TQ and nothing else.
Spacial Girl
Ethereal Beings
#11 - 2015-04-01 15:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Spacial Girl
ekimju wrote:
Spacial Girl wrote:
ekimju wrote:
Matthew97 wrote:
I don't fully understand why that should even matter? You pay for access to TQ and whatnot, nothing for Singularity. Sisi is not a right and CCP can pull access whenever they feel like. Be thankful that they even give us a test server to help better the main server.
I dont fully understand why you have to pretend its not a problem when it is to a alot of us. we put in alot of money transferring characters and plex. to be told theres no plans on a mirror and thats the only way.. they could easily take requests for account updates instead of the mass mirror.


>Minority - Not that many players need entire accounts updated for new toons.
>Entitlement - I paid to transfer a character != I paid a separate subscription for Singularity
>Entitlement - Updating individual accounts instead of mirroring regularly would create un-necessary work for both the Devs and the machine that has to handle those database transactions.

I'd hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Server is for CCP not us.
Your $$$ just happens to pay for it.
Just because I pay for my internet doesn't make me entitled to walk into strangers homes expecting a free connection because I helped pay for the infrastructure and maintenance costs behind it.
is that why test server is public for how many years ? then encourage people to come ? You know how many people help for free as well that would do it for no cost at all.. just because you do not have any problems and already have everything you need doesn't make it just fine and dandy. since you dont work at ccp either. its meaningless until we have talk to devs.


The Devs have talked to us time and time again, and from a database standpoint ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY COPY AN ENTIRE DATABASE, TOSS IT ON ANOTHER SERVER AND EXPECT IT TO WORK.

The entire tranquility database is full of information that needs to be sanitized such as Pos's and objects in space.
The copying of a run-time database of Tranquility's size is no easy feat for any infrastructure as the amount of data had put beyond heavy loads on CCP's network as stated before by CCP Habakuk & Possibly CCP Goliath.

You know nothing about the basics of how such a system operates. A mirror is the rough equivalent of telling someone to build you two homes instead of one using the same resources and very little extra money.

I like mirrors, Mirrors refresh a lot of reset Masstest SP across my toons, Just because I don't have problems doesn't mean I don't want a mirror.

I really hate to say this but you have been nothing but self-entitled to a service you did not pay for. Like I said just because your money eventually makes it to helping pay for the Singularity Server does not mean you are entitled to any part of it.

ACCESS TO SINGULARITY/DUALITY/CHAOS HAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A PRIVILEGE.
I ENCOURAGE you to check YOUR PRIVILEGE.

Devs will request a mirror when one is needed, not when a single player creates multiple false use cases for one.
Devs have always provided prudent feedback when asked about a mirror, You should try hitting up one of the QA members on Twitter they always seem happy to reply IF they have information to provide.
The current new /copyskills and automated account status updating (paid subscription) made the need for mirrors less necessary to allow a good number of players to participate.

By all means if you have an opinion on this express it, but do not say things like "many of us, players, or we".

You seem to be speaking alone in the regard and there is no valid reason to support mirroring for character transfers as external purchases aren't even necessary to facilitate it. Play games - > Earn ISK - > Buy Plex - > Plex into Redeem system - > Sell Character. At no point does a buyer need to purchase any PLEX from CCP to transfer a character to themselves.

You've got to understand we aren't trying to hate or belittle you, but the reasons you have provided are nil compared to the scale of what you are asking for. What you want is akin to nuking a city because a resident killed your pet rat.

The whole many years thing is also BS too, if you are truly interested in only testing, you'll make a character, attend a masstest or two, apply SP and apply it as necessary in order to help out.
ekimju
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-04-01 20:03:21 UTC
you really dont get it at all. that was pointless
Matthew97
#13 - 2015-04-02 10:22:53 UTC
ekimju wrote:
you really dont get it at all. that was pointless



The one who doesn't understand anything is you. You are not entitled access to Singularity at all, CCP don't have to do anything special, hell they can close down the server if they felt it wasn't required anymore and that's it.
You do not pay for access, therefore you do not have the right to demand a mirror because you wanna try your new PVP alt out and not actually help test anything at all.
/thread
Cadre Arareb
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#14 - 2015-04-02 14:35:09 UTC
ekimju wrote:
you really dont get it at all. that was pointless

Just out of curiosity. What do you want to test? I know its not pvp related as the last time you were killed in pvp was mid December of 2012, your last kI'll was before that.
PVE? You can safely test that on tq.
Indy? You can test that on tq also.

Anything else? No? Then shut up

The supers will rise again!

Cadre Arareb
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#15 - 2015-04-02 15:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cadre Arareb
For some reason my iPad loves double posting, so this Is a edit of the last



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The supers will rise again!

Spacial Girl
Ethereal Beings
#16 - 2015-04-03 00:44:34 UTC
ekimju wrote:
you really dont get it at all. that was pointless


Q_Q

You know what... I'm not OP
But this thread has derailed harder than Galaxy Express 999.

I'm done, I give up, but there are no winners here.
We would have accomplished more by making 9 more threads about entitlement because at-least someone would of gotten banned (totalllly not me mmmkay).
I tried man, I tried so hard to explain why we aren't entitled to anything, however, you refuse to acknowledge the facts that have been layed before you, you refuse to listen, you refuse to use common sense, you refuse to constructively reply, and you hold a false belief so dear you might as well be shilling propaganda in some 3rd world country.

I LOVE mirrors too, but I hate talking to the stoic brick walls that think they need a mirror. (c w471 d1d 7h3r3)
That being said, I would actually kill to see CCP reply and or Lock this thread for derailing so hard.
This is Mirror Info Request thread #857266637219.5 Not "Why We Are Entitled 101".

Tyvm Matthew but all of this has been for nil as ekimju fails to grasp the most basic concepts of the arguments we have made and probably couldn't tell us the reasons we gave him in this very thread.

THE DERAIL IS STRONG
ONLY THE BLUE DEVS MAY SAVE US NOW.

Khuros - To Re-iterate We will see a mirror when CCP wants a mirror, now then players want a mirror.
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-04-03 22:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: d0cTeR9
ekimju wrote:
Matthew97 wrote:
I don't fully understand why that should even matter? You pay for access to TQ and whatnot, nothing for Singularity. Sisi is not a right and CCP can pull access whenever they feel like. Be thankful that they even give us a test server to help better the main server.
I dont fully understand why you have to pretend its not a problem when it is to a alot of us. we put in alot of money transferring characters and plex. to be told theres no plans on a mirror and thats the only way.. they could easily take requests for account updates instead of the mass mirror.


You pay to have access to TQ, not SISI.

SISI is something additional/optional, that didn't even exist back when i played.

Not only that, doing a mirror of TQ is actually a LOT of work and is ONLY done when it's absolutely necessary.

Lastly, SISI is there for testing new modules/ships, changes and what ever the dev's want to test (also great to find bugs), not for your personal pleasure.

Been around since the beginning.