Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No. There aee already a lot of draw back to using these mods. Samller guns and tank, cannot turn fast. These add more variety to fitting options and make the game more interesting.

The drawback isn't as severe for destroyer-sized ships in particular, where a lot of the consternation comes from. 10mn confessors are very commonplace and VERY effective in lowsec factional warfare.

this is why I'd rather see oversized go.

Any more changes, to t3 (c or d), run the risk of being based on the oversized fit. In the case of cruisers we can argue some in their "proper" 10mn fit they are not the mean op sources of evil they are made out to be. Its only the 100mn fitting that does the whole dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde bit. Tengu's dr. Jekyll in 10mn format for pvp is imo quite average all in all. Especially with HML nerf of old and recent medium hybrid changes. 100mn Mr' Hyde....still spammed, this looked at nerfs, said whatever, and kept that train rolling down the the tracks..

Time will tell if t3d wants to be like its bigger t3 cousin.


If ccp balances mr. hyde as it where....dr. jeckyl is getting the short end of the stick really. Sadly ccp has no choice but to go this route. They have to assume mr. hyde will make an appearance.

I'd rather just see it go so the ships is balance on its intended design. Its like judging a legit all natural body builder alongside a bodybuilder (in the same weight class) who has injected so many steroids even they don't know wth they have taken lol.


Not sure about pg nerf though and its effectiveness. Unless ccp has some grand scheme to speed up metacide I am thinking grid hits can be made up for by meta fits. For players like me that don't emo rage over the complexities of comparing stats on items (we actually enjoy the time theorycrafitng this gives) we may still find a way. Will have to wait for test files to see ofc and away from my pyfa at home but guessing ACR and mapc would still do wonders on some fits out there. Maybe some implants...

I would say that 100MN AB cruisers are an outsized component of the woes faced by battleships, especially at typical fleet engagement ranges sought by the more mobile platform.

The problem isn't that there aren't counters, but that they leap frog over critical role boundaries.

+13km/s svipuls were silly, but weren't really a critical factor on any battlefield. They were just a symptom of an underlying illness.

That looks like a blaster Merlin or plated Punisher to me, which in all accounts are really not op.

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Absolute sig would work, although I'm more of the opinion that the pg usage of 10mn and 100mn should be doubled, since if a cruiser or battleship can already fit mwd without much trouble, it should be even easier to fit ab.

By doubling the PG of prop mods, you're significantly limiting fitting options for classes that aren't even related to the one you're trying to fix. Its like taking heroin for pain; sure, you fix the problem, but you introduce many, many others. There are many fits out there that feature proper-sized ABs that are a tight squeeze.

Like the above poster, the only thing using oversized ABs that's actually unbalanced right now are the t3 destroyers, and that's only because they don't face nearly the drawbacks and compromises that other classes do.

Oversized AB's have been an issue since the tengu. With increased sig for prop mods, a 100mn tengu rightly gets a sig nerf rather than nothing. Other shield ships only get royally screwed if they fit oversized burners. Again quite rightly so.

And on top of that, both armour and shield ships ALL suffer such penalties for fitting the oversized mod. Not just shield ships.



Its not like this kind of thing in unheard of. Put an oversized shield extender on a ship and it gets a big sig nerf. Put an oversized armour plate on a ship and it suffers a huge mass penalty. Your argument is mute.


edit- I'd avoid doubling the PG of prop mods. They are tight enough on some ships.

Dear Alvatore,

The problem is damage application against oversized ab ships, not web effectiveness against them. Please note that if something as simple as tackling ships with oversized ab solved this problem, there wouldn't BE a problem to be raised at all.

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