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Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-23 06:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mistress Lilu
Looking for people to create a trade circle?Where your word is your bond and your bond is followed by your actions.
You need something below market value, you need something built, you want to buy or sell in large quantities?
Ask, in return, we will ask for a favor in return that one of our members needs.
Simple, favor for a favor.
You ask for a favor and it is done, no questions. When the time comes, we expect the same in return. People who do not return favors will be black listed, and loose on the profit that is created by the circle network of builders, miners and all other occupations in eve.
Post here if you are interested, and the circle will get in touch with you.
This is not a scam, no fee is required.
Just your word as your bond.
Please post what occupation you currently do. Miner, builder, pvp and so forth.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#2 - 2011-12-23 11:38:43 UTC
Please excuse my heretic question Master Circle.
If i get something like 10m below market value and are supposed to sell something 10m below market value too, how is this doing each other a favor? Everyone would still have the same isk as they just bought it from market.
The only ones benefiting from your "circle" are the ones who can just leech of the others because they have the power to blacklist and cant be blacklisted theirself.
There is already a very good system in place to make sure that favors are exchanged in a very fair way, its called currency and free market.
If you just want to interact with other traders and talk about market this is very good idea, i suggest you have a look at SCC-Lounge and Signatures to see how that works.
Shar Tegral
#3 - 2011-12-23 12:59:58 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:
People who do not return favors will be black listed, and loose on the profit that is created by the circle network of builders, miners and all other occupations in eve.
I'm always curious about things people create in Eve so feel free to contact me.

I do wonder, however, about "do not return favors". If someone asks me for something I am uncomfortable with, is that going to get me blacklisted? In my mind it is not about isk value, just sometimes I'm not in a position to extend myself... correction... overextend myself for just anyone who asks.

PS: IRL I'm a mason. I'm used to honor based society and the benefits/ills that come with it.
Dane El
Negative Density
#4 - 2011-12-23 16:29:06 UTC
I guess I don't see the point. Trading is silly, stupid easy. You don't need favors to do well.

And even if one does need a favor, who's going to accept the terms of "You have to do whatever we command later?" Only those that do not fear the black list and have no intention of repaying the favor. You're going to hit the same problem Eve investments do. There is just no good way to punish someone for not keeping their word.

In the end this seems like a convoluted system of Eve dares. As in "I dare you to sell me X number of Product Y at Z% below market value" and in exchange you get to dare me to do something in your favor at a later date. Except there is no alcohol or nudity involved. *Yawn*
cigarellos
#5 - 2011-12-23 16:45:41 UTC
I'd like to know more about this. Mail me in-game.

-cig
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-23 16:56:18 UTC
We are the Circle.
You can see it how you want to or not see it.
The concept it easy, a favor for a favor.
People who abuse the circle will be black listed.
There is more advantages of being in the circle than not. Your actions will determine your placement.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#7 - 2011-12-23 17:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Gatan Hahran
Mistress Lilu wrote:

The concept it easy, a favor for a favor.
People who abuse the circle will be black listed.

How exactly you keep the people who blacklist others (like you) from abusing the circle?
If you exchange favors of the same value, nobody has a benefit.
The only way to benefit is finding an idiot who is happy with being abused and looted by the rest of the circle?
Do you keep a database of all favors between all members?
How do you know how many favor-value each members has given and received?
Please explain.
Shar Tegral
#8 - 2011-12-23 17:14:49 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:
We are the Circle.

Your slightly poetic mutterings answers no questions.
Julian Koll
The Kollektive
#9 - 2011-12-23 17:20:33 UTC
why would i want to cirkle jerk when i am already part of the kollektive?
this does not make sense. i'm actually serious about that last part, btw
Adunh Slavy
#10 - 2011-12-23 17:22:37 UTC
Trade at fair market value is already a favor, both parties profit, or they wouldn't do it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Dane El
Negative Density
#11 - 2011-12-23 17:27:49 UTC
We should setup a trade cartel too and fix some prices! I'm sure everyone will get on board and play nice.

/sarcasm <- Sadly I fear this is necessary.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#12 - 2011-12-23 18:01:39 UTC
Nice idea and while these sort of things are usefull IRL as EVE's economic modelling is rather diffrent it isn't really that neccesary.

There isn't a real industrial suplply chain as we see it IRL. The auction house style market restricts a lot of there econimic modelling there is no need for 'business networking' as it is in reality.

Nice idea though hope you find a few people who will sign on and you make some good friends and have lulz, oh and make some isk too (frankly that bit isn't as hard as it is IRL either).

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-12-23 18:31:32 UTC
you guys sound like a bunch of squares tbqh

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-12-23 18:44:25 UTC
The purpose of The Circle is not to make isk. The purpose is to have a circle that can be counted on when it is needed.
If you need a favor that will make you isk, and you would like the circle to fulfill its role, so be it.
Eve is not about isk and neither is real life all about currency.
Eve is not how much isk you make and how you can make it.
It fundamentally comes down to a connection of trusted networks.
As stated before, if you are interested please state so. Mail Mistress Lilu, The Center of the Circle, with your toon, names of alts and your specialty. We will get back to you.
Eliana Bandokar
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#15 - 2011-12-23 22:29:31 UTC
I would be all over something like this if it was real, unfortunately an unwillingness to answer simple questions about your idea suggests it's not altogether legitimate (surprise, surprise).

I'd love to see a group of people willing to help each other out when needed. We probably all have this on a small scale already with our individual circles of friends but my persistent faith in humanity wishes we could get it moving on a grander scale. No, there's no way to effectively punish people who would take whatever they want and then walk away, but I know I wouldn't be one of those people and I'm sure plenty of others here wouldn't either.

Scams happen, you make the isk back, but having people you can rely on goes way beyond that.
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#16 - 2011-12-23 22:40:54 UTC
I understand secret societies look cool, and I am sure you just read a book on the Illuminati or Masons or Rosicrucians or something and are really excited about it. But refusing to answer questions doesn't make you cool or more secretive. Or make this plan less dumb. I'll give you one free favor: Go back to reading your book and come back to the forums after you've taken a good nap.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-12-24 20:38:05 UTC
Questions will be answered privately.
Email this toon with questions...
We will not indulge info on this public forum.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#18 - 2011-12-24 20:58:56 UTC
s/circle/corp/g

hm, it makes a lot more sense now...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-12-24 22:39:23 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
s/circle/corp/g

hm, it makes a lot more sense now...

This is not a corp, and stop trolling.
If you are interested and have questions contact this toon.
Avensys
The Waterworks
#20 - 2011-12-25 10:55:43 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:
We will not indulge info on this public forum.

it's divulge, not indulge.

you're welcome.
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