EVE General Discussion

Isn't this thread enough? I mean, he makes a thread where the overwhelming opinion is against him, which must obviously remind him of his recent election bid where the overwhelming super-majority of the electorate (not just 'null blocs', but low sec, wormhole space AND high sec) didn't even give him a second look.

I don't say that to be mean to him, just to point out that a person who can be so demonstrably wrong all the time obviously must have built up some monstrously strong and fortress like ego defense mechanisms. This is why no amount of data, logic or evidence will ever matter (not just to this guy, but in real life in general), asking people to accept uncomfortable truths is like asking them to jump off a cliff.

Request for clarification - who is the "he" who is "just a hater"? Me? (scratch head) If so, that's odd you think so. The post of mine in the above quote was simply a statement that I'd find data on the situation interesting. I made no assumption of any sort about what the data would be - which is why I said it'd be nice to have such data. Where do you see hate in that? If you meant somebody else by "he" then please disregard.

Up until recently, the trial was two weeks. At that point the trial acct either stopped playing or kept playing.

That's why the 15 day time span on this. CCP don't care about any of the stuff the ranters are going on about in this thread. They care about turning trials into subs. Period.

Next year it will be based on a thirty day character since that's the new trial length and there will have been enough time passed to see if it made a difference in player retention. I do hope they will show the comparison at the next FF. That will be some interesting data and we should get at least one good threadnaught out of it.

Mr Epeen

Good points. Perhaps for the sake of clearer communications, we all should have been discussing "trial account conversion rate" rather than "new player retention rate." I mean, I've been here over a year, and I still consider myself a new player in many ways. The tactics to get somebody like me to stay might be quite different from the tactics to get somebody with a trial account to buy a sub.

Perfectly well said. I continue to marvel at how someone can form an opinion on mere feelings (ie I feel that ganking drives new players away") with zero evidence other than "I heard someone say that" or "someone I know quit after getting ganked". Then, when you present actual data that strongly suggests this isn't the case (or if it is, it can't be measured), all of a sudden it's "that can't be true, that was a stupid question to ask anyways!!".

Even worse, in order to defend their original feelings based opinion, they start grasping at straws that turns that opinion from being merely 'mistaken' to 'irredeemably idiotic'.

Haven't checked your posting history.
I took the post as it was.


"Sounds like" isn't "Is a" and is much less than a "Seems to be".


Your request isn't bad.
It would be interesting!

You know what would be even better?

CONCORD's KillBoard.


What matters. ^_^



*kinks*

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That's a long winded way to say "they just want me to play their way", which is another false thing that people who think like you say (when they aren't claiming that ganking new players makes them unsub lol).

Despite the propaganda from folks like CODE and Goons (which btw is funny as hell when kept in context, the guys that suicide ganked my empty pod a couple weeks ago sent me a mail claiming to be the "pod inspection service" lol), almost no one cares what other people do in the game. They care when that player complains about 'not being left alone' when they player chose to play an open world sandbox pvp game.

That's why I PVE all day long (and all night if I'm on vacation and the wife is working) and no one cares, because I've taken precautions to make sure I can play the way I want without interference and if someone does try to interfere I don't get knotted up in a ball of angst and indignation.

As for this thread it is not true that "It's the interpretation of the data where the issues start". This post perfectly describes the issue contained in this thread, and if you can look at the OPs posting in this thread (that he created) and say that he's only doing that because "It's the interpretation of the data where the issues start", that just proves that you have the same kind of "honesty deficit" that the OP has.

THERE IT IS! What have I been saying this entire time y'all? Not about rage quitting, about you forming opinions 'based on what you've seen".




Out of the millions of people who have tried this game, how many did you observe? That's the entire point, you allow you beliefs to be formed from literally nothing. Then, when someone who has actual data (Rise) says something different you discount that information...because it runs counter to the belief your formed from literally nothing.

I don't usually call "troll" (I give everyone the benefit of the doubt), but damn it this looks like one, because no one, and I mean no one intentionally posts things like this that overtly confirm an opposing viewpoint.

Thanks btw

this what happens when ccp hires players to be dev's.

denial,
deflect,
never accept blame.

unsubbing continues...