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Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#1 - 2015-04-03 16:58:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Reina Xyaer
My Opinion:

There are too many drones in EVE.

Drones cause lag and bracket clutter.

Drones are really good.

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Proposal:

Remove the Drone Bay on most ships that are not "Drone Boats".

Buff the other stats of these ships accordingly to make up for loss of drones.

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Drones are supposedly a primarily "Gallente" weapon. So let more Gallente ships keep their drone bays, but not all.

Example: Enyo, Incursus... remove the drone bays on these, buff their turret damage or application.

Thorax... leave it's drone bay, Gallente attack cruiser makes sense to have it.
Caracal and Cerberus... remove it's drone bay.
Stabber, SFI, Vaga... remove drone bay.
Loki, Tengu, Legion... remove drone bay.
Sacrilege... remove drone bay.
Maller, Omen, Omen Navy... remove drone bay.

Harbinger
Prophecy
Harb Navy
Drake
Ferox
Drake Navy
Cyclone
Hurricane/Navy
Abso
Damnation
Vulure
Nighthawk
Claymore
Sleipnir.... remove drone bays.

Many Battleships too...

Remember, of course I'm assuming stats will need buffed on any ship that loses its drone bay.

Result:

Less lag

Less silly "pretty-much-every-ship-has-drones" meta.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2015-04-03 17:05:21 UTC
This should be good...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#3 - 2015-04-03 17:10:41 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
This should be good...


Don't be shy bud, give your opinion.

I assume by your non-contributing, useless snarky comment, that you disagree.

I'd prefer to hear your views on the subject, rather than your thinly veiled equivalent of:

Quote:
"wow this is so stupid I can't wait to read what other people say about it"
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#4 - 2015-04-03 17:16:37 UTC
Reina Xyaer wrote:
Don't be shy bud, give your opinion.
I assume by your non-contributing, useless snarky comment, that you disagree.
I'd prefer to hear your views on the subject, rather than your thinly veiled equivalent of:
"wow this is so stupid I can't wait to read what other people say about it"

Sorry, let me rephrase.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#5 - 2015-04-03 17:19:38 UTC
Shiptoasting at it's finest.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#6 - 2015-04-03 17:30:42 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:

Sorry, let me rephrase.


LoL. You really are a professional forum troll aren't you? 


Shiptoasting at it's finest.


No seriously guys, this is not a troll or shitpost.

I'm aware it's a huge balance change. It's an idea, not something I 100% believe should be done, just an idea.

I do think there are too many drones.
I do think that it might be better to have less.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#7 - 2015-04-03 17:34:52 UTC
For what you propose, it would be simpler to just:

1. Delete ishtars and archons from the game
2. Make it an exploit to be risk averse.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2015-04-03 17:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Reina Xyaer wrote:
LoL. You really are a professional forum troll aren't you?

You obviously don't understand the purpose of many of these drone bays, so what would be the point in trying to explain it? Here's a hint, though: How many of those hulls have a spare utility high slot? And do drones only serve a combat function?

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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-04-03 17:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmer Jones
That's a huge amount of DPS rebalancing, as well as loss of utility drones. Extra mod slots or gun bonus tweaking would make for a very shaken gameboard. Not saying I'm not for a shaken game board, but this idea knocks all the pieces off the board all at once.

Such changes would have to be done slowly, ship by ship, and consideration for utility drones must be factored in.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#10 - 2015-04-03 17:43:34 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Reina Xyaer wrote:
LoL. You really are a professional forum troll aren't you?

You obviously don't understand the purpose of many of these drone bays, so what would be the point in trying to explain it? Here's a hint, though: How many of those hulls have a spare utility high slot? And do drones only serve a combat function?


Of course I understand the purpose. It's to add utility, or damage application that the turrets can't provide. That's why I said I understand it's a huge balance change.

If you don't want to explain your opinions or discuss this concept in depth, why bother posting?

Oh I know the answer to that question... you are a dedicated forum troll that enjoys posting negativity without contributing.

It's okay man, there's lots like you on these forums. I'll just ignore any further posts from you unless they're actually adding to this discussion.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-04-03 17:43:42 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
This should be good...


You need popcorn ? I brought plenty...

I have copporn too but hey, I'm Gallente...
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#12 - 2015-04-03 17:45:25 UTC
Zimmer Jones wrote:
That's a huge amount of DPS rebalancing, as well as loss of utility drones. Extra mod slots or gun bonus tweaking would make for a very shaken gameboard. Not saying I'm not for a shaken game board, but this idea knocks all the pieces off the board all at once.

Such changes would have to be done slowly, ship by ship, and consideration for utility drones must be factored in.


I'm aware. I just believe there might be too many ships with drone bays. And I'm proposing this to discuss the concept of removing a lot of those.
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2015-04-03 17:45:58 UTC
Prophecy is a drone boat....
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2015-04-03 17:46:55 UTC
Ncc 1709 wrote:
Prophecy is a drone boat....

Not anymore!

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-03 17:47:32 UTC
To the OP you do realize that the function of the drones goes way beyond dps? Also removing them from anything bigger than a cruiser or from any of the ewar boats removes the 'secondary armament' they often rely on against much smaller faster targets?

Massive no from me -1googolplex
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#16 - 2015-04-03 17:49:13 UTC
Ncc 1709 wrote:
Prophecy is a drone boat....



Oh, didn't know that. I assumed it was a laser turret boat. Ignore that one then.


You'll notice I didn't mention many recons, or ships that are neuting boats, etc. Many of these need drone bays to have some damage.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#17 - 2015-04-03 17:50:58 UTC
The proposal is bad (sorry op), the reasons behind it arent. Drones do cause a lot of lag. It's a lot of calculations and special awareness that has to go on regarding how drones function. Ccp has done some drone reductions already. They may need to do another pass as some point.

Would applying what they did with the gila be applicable to carriers, Ishtar's and domi fleets?

Maybe.

Yaay!!!!
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#18 - 2015-04-03 17:51:40 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
To the OP you do realize that the function of the drones goes way beyond dps? Also removing them from anything bigger than a cruiser or from any of the ewar boats removes the 'secondary armament' they often rely on against much smaller faster targets?

Massive no from me -1googolplex


Yup, I'm aware of this as well. That's part of the "huge balance change" I already said I know this causes.

This has a lot of implications. If you think it's just not feasible to remove drones from so many ships, well you may be right, but I'd like to put it on the table.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#19 - 2015-04-03 17:51:53 UTC
If you remove drones, you are going to do many undesirable things.

Push the frig/t3d meta even more than it is now. Mainly because drones help to get tackle off larger ships, or supplement a weaker primary weapon system (looking at you medium acs). Frigs become even more powerful at holding larger ships.. and im tired of the frig meta, we need more reasons to fly bigger ships, not less.

Make gallente even more OP, since not only do they have their primary weapon bonus, but get drones added to it. I dont want to see more vexor/ishtar/VNI.

Drone/frig meta needs to be toned down, not buffed, which is what your proposal will do.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#20 - 2015-04-03 17:56:02 UTC
If you want to reform drones, you can start with eliminating drone assist. The next step would be to limit light drones to frigates, medium drones to destroyers and cruisers, heavy drones to battlecruisers and battleships and sentry drones to battleships. The same applies to the varying sizes of utility and logistics drones.

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