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Cyno scout for blops fleet

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Titus Heldane
The Vomit Comets
#1 - 2015-03-29 14:03:05 UTC
Hello,

me and some corpmates may try to do some blops in null/low, so im looking for the best scouting ship. A nullified proteus seems ideal due to the massive tank, bubble immunity and expanded probe launcher. I also heard the Falcon is great because you can jam anyone, but you cannot scan people down. Any ideas?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2015-03-30 18:18:22 UTC
Any ship that can light a cyno will work. (blops can bridge to normal cynos, too!) But preferably one that has enough tank to survive. Remember, anything with a covops cloak except stealth bombers will have a sensor recalibration delay after decloaking.

T3s with massive tanks are ofc going to work fairly well. Arazu with its very long range warp disruptor/scram and damps is nice. Permatackle ftw.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-03-30 18:32:19 UTC
prospect best blops cyno
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-03-31 07:51:27 UTC
bomber... because covert tech3 still has a targeting delay after uncloaking...

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Cayenne Agni
Red Eyed Logi
#5 - 2015-03-31 10:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Cayenne Agni
I've been away a bit too long. When you uncloak near your victom and are going to lite the cyno what exactly are the available options or better yet what are the desired actions?

I was under the impression that the ship that lights the cyno cant move or take any actions but that obviously isn't the case from the discussion ;D

thanks
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2015-03-31 10:44:26 UTC
its quite useful to point the victim :D

People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back -  EvE

Titus Heldane
The Vomit Comets
#7 - 2015-03-31 15:52:49 UTC
Cayenne Agni wrote:
I've been away a bit too long. When you uncloak near your victom and are going to lite the cyno what exactly are the available options or better yet what are the desired actions?

I was under the impression that the ship that lights the cyno cant move or take any actions but that obviously isn't the case from the discussion ;D

thanks


When you light a covert cyno you cannot move for 1 minute. you can point people though. once you light it your fleet bridges in from a Blops BS, prefferably inside a POS, and starts shooting stuff. Our fleet consists of a Panther, a Widow, some recons and bombers, and my scout ship. I've decided I will use a proteus, because of its massive tank and reasonable DPS even with a cyno, cloak and probe launcher fitted.
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#8 - 2015-03-31 17:12:05 UTC
Rapier because you don't want your target to run.
Cayenne Agni
Red Eyed Logi
#9 - 2015-03-31 19:59:06 UTC
ah. so you cant move but you can indeed turn on modules.

Would you normally:

uncloak
target
point
web then
light the cyno..

or uncloak> lite it > then lock >point>web/scram etc
Justin Zaine
#10 - 2015-04-01 00:36:24 UTC
Cayenne Agni wrote:
ah. so you cant move but you can indeed turn on modules.

Would you normally:

uncloak
target
point
web then
light the cyno..

or uncloak> lite it > then lock >point>web/scram etc


Does it *really* matter? Whether you point then light the cyno or light the cyno then point, you're still going to be completing both actions as fast as you can press the buttons, which is a matter of milliseconds.

I would point then cyno though, obviously because the faster you get point the better, especially with a 5 or 6 second targeting delay after decloaking.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.

Cayenne Agni
Red Eyed Logi
#11 - 2015-04-01 03:18:57 UTC
Well yes I'd say it matters:

Are there any actions that can be taken during the 5 sec uncloaking targeting delay. that would likely be the best thing for me to do first then target when able and point/web.

Anyway, sorry if it seemed like a dumb question.
Justin Zaine
#12 - 2015-04-01 11:35:24 UTC
Cayenne Agni wrote:
Well yes I'd say it matters:

Are there any actions that can be taken during the 5 sec uncloaking targeting delay. that would likely be the best thing for me to do first then target when able and point/web.

Anyway, sorry if it seemed like a dumb question.


To answer the question, after you uncloak you basically just turn on MWD and go for bump while simultaneously dropping drones if you have them. That should be using up most of your 5 or 6 seconds.

But if you honestly couldn't come to that conclusion on your own then you probably shouldn't be flying Blops to begin with.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.

Brutus Utama
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2015-04-01 11:50:50 UTC
Use a Procurer.... everyone loves shooting miners....then drop the cyno :)
Perkin Warbeck
Red Branch
#14 - 2015-04-01 12:32:35 UTC
Cayenne Agni wrote:
ah. so you cant move but you can indeed turn on modules.

Would you normally:

uncloak
target
point
web then
light the cyno..

or uncloak> lite it > then lock >point>web/scram etc


Depends what the target is. If its a fast ship or ab fit then you will want to scram and web it before lighting the cyno in case it moves out of range (blops can take a few seconds to lock). Always fit a scram because most targets that are battleship or above are MJD fit.

In terms of the best ship to use it really depends. Bombers are cheap and don't suffer any targeting delay when you decloak. If you want to tank and contribute then almost any of the T3s are good. Just always remember that your job is to find the target and tackle it. DPS is a bonus but not essential.
Cayenne Agni
Red Eyed Logi
#15 - 2015-04-01 21:57:33 UTC
I appreciate the answers, even the attitudes :D mahalo
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-04-02 16:06:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Do you want a bait or a hunter?
Bait :everything that can fit a 1600 plate, disruptor, Scram and cyno
Hunter: plated falcon with normal cyno, covert cyno, scram/ disruptor and sisters expanded core probe lancher... Works

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#17 - 2015-04-03 07:13:02 UTC
Cayenne Agni wrote:
Well yes I'd say it matters:

Are there any actions that can be taken during the 5 sec uncloaking targeting delay. that would likely be the best thing for me to do first then target when able and point/web.

Anyway, sorry if it seemed like a dumb question.


You can take any action that doesn't require targeting something, it's literally just a delay to your targeting systems. I believe this includes lighting the cyno if you're so inclined, though the last time I lit a cyno in a combat situation without using a bomber was a long, long time ago so I'm not 100% on that.
Agent Unknown
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-04-03 15:31:13 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
Cayenne Agni wrote:
Well yes I'd say it matters:

Are there any actions that can be taken during the 5 sec uncloaking targeting delay. that would likely be the best thing for me to do first then target when able and point/web.

Anyway, sorry if it seemed like a dumb question.


You can take any action that doesn't require targeting something, it's literally just a delay to your targeting systems. I believe this includes lighting the cyno if you're so inclined, though the last time I lit a cyno in a combat situation without using a bomber was a long, long time ago so I'm not 100% on that.


You can light while under the targeting delay. I've seen it done with the prospect and other ships.