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A lot of players that never tried EVE before, see the long skillqueue, see the advantages of two +4 implants and they don't want to lose those implants, so they don't PVP, they stay in high-sec and get bored, then leave the game.

Learning implants are a real barrier for new players trying to enter null-sec. They need skills fast. They also need to pvp. They also need ISK and can't afford to lose 40 million each time they die. What to choose? Why do players have to make this choice: fun or isk ($$$) ?

So - remove learning implants, give us a +4 boost to all attributes. The money CCP will lose because of shorter training times will be a lot less than the money won because players fight, destroy more ships, are not afraid to PVP, have more fun and stay in the game.

No, we're not going to crash the market just so some people can justify their obscene risk aversion.

Implants are a choice, and what's more they are a meaningful choice. That is a good thing.

I agree and even made a thread about it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336673

It has nothing to do with risk - I routinely PvP in much more expensive implants. They discourage the use of 'out in space and doing stuff' implants and should be removed. My preference would be to replace them with learning boosters made in lowsec.

WTF Y'all smoking? you seriously want something for nothing "give us a +4 boost to all attributes"

That makes the implants meaningless, oh right, that's your intention. Swing the nerf bat again CCP cause the kiddies can;t play in their sandbox without pooping in it.

Implants are supposed to cost you something,,,,, simply because they give you a advantage over another player, or allow you to compete on their level. If your afraid of getting podded every time you undock, then this game is not for you,. You want all the benefits of the implants, but not the risk, shame on you.

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As someone flying around regularly with 500m to 2b in implants I assure you I appreciate the risk/reward they provide. However there's a difference between hardwires and pirate implants that affect gameplay and learning implants you can plug into a market trading alt that doesn't undock. Theres no reason attribute implants can't be swapped for something with more meaningful gameplay impact.

http://gorsking.blogspot.se/2015/04/on-attributes-and-implants.html My thoughts on the subject

Why would anyone have to get +4? Why not just zero?

CCP needs to remove learning implants and not replace them with anything. The truth is that leaning implants add nothing meaningful to the game, are a terrible choice to make, encourage risk averse behavior, and removing them from the game would actually improve Eve without dumbing Eve down.

Let's start with choices. Eve is not a game of choices. If you think Eve is a game of choices you are wrong. Eve is a game of meaningful choices. That is a huge distinction. A meaningful choice is choice that affects the Eve universe beyond yourself. For example the choice to fit an AB instead of an MWD is a meaningful choice. Your decision now is going to affect the fight you and others are going to have in a matter of minutes. You decisions during that fight are meaningful choices. What you do after that fight will likely be a series of meaningful choices.

Learning implants are not a meaningful choice. Take any situation: mining, PvP, PvE, market trading, etc. Place yourself in that situation with another person. Ask yourself these simple questions: Does that player having no learning implants affect this situation? What if they have a set of +1 implants? +5 implants? Under no circumstances does their decision to use learning implants affect your gameplay at all. Some of you are going to argue that if you podded said player with +5 implants you would feel good because you destroyed something of high value they had. You will miss the fact that it wasn't the learning implants that affected your gameplay, but the value of those implants. If we set the value to 0 they would have little to no effect at all. Learning implants are still not a meaningful choice.

Clone grades were a choice between losing isk or losing SP. That is a terrible choice to make. CCP rightly removed clone grades from the game because of the poor choice they presented, among other things. Learning implants are the exact same choice that was presented in clone grades: lose isk or lose SP. Imagine there was a third choice added. This third choice is a "no change" choice. So if I offered you the choice between losing your isk, losing your SP, and doing nothing and losing nothing. A majority of people would chose to lose nothing. That may seem a little extreme, but the point is that anytime where the choice of "do nothing and lose nothing" is the best choice it should be altered to not be the best choice. In fact the do nothing choice became the only option for clone grades and people rejoiced because a terrible choice was removed.

Learning implants encourage risk averse gameplay. I have trained many pilots to PvP over the years. One of the biggest issues is that the players, who often don't have lots of isk, would rather stay in highsec where they can use their learning implants to gain skills quickly than PvP or do something where those implants would be at risk. People should be out enjoying the game, creating content for themselves and others. It isn't hard to see that removing learning implants will get more people out into space and doing things in space. One of the biggest arguments to removing clone grades, argued mainly by nullsec and lowsec PvPers, was that a 15+ mil isk clone was enough to get people to not fly small ships. It isn't hard to see why 40 mil isk in two +4 implants is discouraging PvP just as much as clone grades were.

Ask yourself: if learning implants were removed, and we were given a flat SP/hour that compensated for their removal, would Eve be better or worse off? I will argue that it would be better off. A meaningless and terrible choice is no longer present, more people are out doing risky activities while gaining the max SP/hour they can, and more content is generated. There are surprisingly minimal costs to removing learning implants. We lost a few LP store items. I am sure CCP can fix that. Other than that... it is all gains. (feel free to let me know if I missed costs.)

The bottom line is that Eve will be better off if learning implants are removed. I hope CCP can see that removing learning implants is really in the best interest of the game. I ask players that agree to speak to their CSM representatives and get them to urge CCP to remove learning implants.

Rather than removing my options, why don't we increase your options?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=391378

If learning implants are going to stay I very much like the idea of moving them to slots 7-9. It is the interference with pirate sets that bothers me most. Learning drugs would be great but this does favour rich players.