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WarDec exploit fix

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Dr Loveless
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-04-03 12:11:04 UTC
In my experience...


Two biggest problems that are do war decs nearly useless are:

1. Defender corp can disband
2. People from defending corp/ally can leave


One easy step to fix it:

After WarDec, defending corp/ally will be Freezed for one week (one WarDec period).
So nobody can leave. (corps/pilots)
If war will be prolonged corp/ally will be unFreezed after one week.


My reasons and experience (two for all):

1. Pilot from defending corp see me on local and he managed to dock. Within few minutes he leaves corp, undock and continue in his business.

2. Defending corp's CEO disband corp and two minutes later he have new corp with the same name and the same ticker. Of course without war. I see his employment info and I realize that he done this on every single war dec. This is unacceptable!
Nalia White
Tencus
#2 - 2015-04-03 12:16:30 UTC
Dr Loveless wrote:
In my experience...


Two biggest problems that are do war decs nearly useless are:

1. Defender corp can disband
2. People from defending corp/ally can leave


One easy step to fix it:

After WarDec, defending corp/ally will be Freezed for one week (one WarDec period).
So nobody can leave. (corps/pilots)
If war will be prolonged corp/ally will be unFreezed after one week.


My reasons and experience (two for all):

1. Pilot from defending corp see me on local and he managed to dock. Within few minutes he leaves corp, undock and continue in his business.

2. Defending corp's CEO disband corp and two minutes later he have new corp with the same name and the same ticker. Of course without war. I see his employment info and I realize that he done this on every single war dec. This is unacceptable!


brilliant idea. just make it people log off and don't log in for a week. maybe they will even quit. how great would that be?

in all seriousness it doesn't work that way currently because of exactly that reason.

my opinion of course. you could argue that we don't need that kind of players anyway but that's not really true because we need those miners and industrialists. of course some of them are capable to defend themselfs but there are a lot of players that just enjoy this part of the game and can't be bothered with the gun pvp part of the game. they still pvp in their own way :)

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-04-03 12:17:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
That is all fine, but the attacking corp must have a similar restrictions on it.

Attacking corp has a recruitment freeze for one week where no one is allowed to join for the first week of the war.

Edit:

There also needs to be tangible goals for the War, a target ISK amount or structures removed from a system/constellation/region, a number of ships or pods destroyed.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-04-03 12:22:34 UTC
Dr Loveless wrote:
1. Pilot from defending corp see me on local and he managed to dock. Within few minutes he leaves corp, undock and continue in his business.


1a: Undock in full gank talos.
1b: Give him the good news anyway.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2015-04-03 12:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Why should I be punished for what other people do in my corp that provoked a real war dec when I do not agree or had no say about that? In the other cases: Why should I (not Rivr, of course. Rivr does not care about wars as he's in Null or Low at max, has alts and knows how to move around properly. He's completely safe from war decs because war deccers never go into Low sec or Null sec) voluntarily play victim for people who cannot play proper PVP? When I receive a completely unreasonable war dec without having done anything other than undocking and sitting in space, I see it as my right to leave my corp for another pasture and let your camp a carapace. As long as war decs are only used for cheap PVP, station camping and in the majority without agenda, I have the right to not play that rotten game with you.

Moreover, why is fleeing from a war unacceptable? You cause them damage and you won the objective. You didn't fire a shot for that? Well, welcome to war. Not every war requires bullets and lasers to win it. You should rather rethink your flawed definition of a dec.

Nalia White wrote:
my opinion of course. you could argue that we don't need that kind of players anyway but that's not really true because we need those miners and industrialists. of course some of them are capable to defend themselfs but there are a lot of players that just enjoy this part of the game and can't be bothered with the gun pvp part of the game. they still pvp in their own way :)
Corps who are well-capable of defending themselves* rarely get war decced. You can guess why. A hint to the answer is that the OP posts from an NPC corp alt and not the main in the war-deccing corp/alliance. Roll
*I do not consider Null sec corps/alliances "well-capable of defending themselves in most cases as they usually do not care about wars to begin with.

Not to mention: Why is this a separate thread when there's Wardecs matter again on the same page, covering the same topic? Roll

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6 - 2015-04-03 12:46:11 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Why should I be punished for what other people do in my corp that provoked a real war dec when I do not agree or had no say about that?


One would suggest you not associate with such people. That kind of thing does have consequences after all. It'd be like me saying that I should not suffer consequences for people who hate CODE wardeccing and stalking us. I absolutely should, that's my choice for associating with them.

To the OP, while dec dodging needs fixed, sacrificing player freedom by freezing people into corps is not the way to do it.

Generating killrights against either side that leaves their corp during an active war is a much better solution, in my opinion.


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You cause them damage and you won the objective.


What objective? Watching them flip their corp is neither damage, nor was it ever an objective.


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You should rather rethink your flawed definition of a dec.


One of us should, certainly. Idk why you think the intent behind wars is to let the other side play games with the corp creation system to bypass the mechanic completely.


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Corps who are well-capable of defending themselves* rarely get war decced.


Absolute bullshit.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Nalia White
Tencus
#7 - 2015-04-03 12:59:15 UTC
how about some real consequences to continuous law breakers? like why should we allow them to get a fresh clone once they died? :) or respawn in a correctional facility where they were forced to do slave labor until their security status slowly ticks back to 0.0 :P

i think the empires could agree with that.

there is so much possibility to shoot down others and get funny messages from people (even in low and null btw!). why some of you guys just prey on the weakest is beyond me.

Syndicate - K5-JRD

Home to few, graveyard for many

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2015-04-03 13:17:32 UTC
Nalia White wrote:
how about some real consequences to continuous law breakers?


Why? They're the only playstyle in the game that has any to begin with, now that faction standings aren't required for anchoring.

If you want to add more, go do it yourself, quit asking for the NPCs to play the game for you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#9 - 2015-04-03 13:21:01 UTC

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