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As long as the scope of your conflict is something the size of The Falklands, this is true. I'm sure you hate Americans just like the rest of the UK, but now you're just talking out of your ass. You're letting your personal feelings towards the US get in the way of objective thinking. To say the UK could fight a large-scale conflict without the aid of the US is absolutely ludicrous and you obviously have no idea about other military powers, or even your own for that matter.

So, you think the Chinese are going to NUKE an American carrier? Wat? And the laser detection thing you mentioned? Yeah, that's called LWS, or Laser Warning System, and we've had that for years. Welcome to last century.

LOL @ you thinking the US has no countermeasure for literally every_single_weapon employed by every single military in the entire world. I guess you've never heard of JSTARS, satellites, cruise missiles, UAVs, JDAMs, JSOWs, or AGM-65s.

As for the "largest air force in the world", said air force is mostly comprised of Mig-21s, MiG-23s, a few MiG-29 squadrons and some Su-27 squadrons. Their threat is in sheer numbers, not technology. Think Goonswarm. Oh, and before you start touting the capabilities of Su-27s and MiG-29s, you should know that Nellis AFB has an entire squadron dedicated to FIS warfare in the 64th and 65th Aggressor Squadrons known as "Red Star". They have former Soviet aircraft as well in which they regularly fly training missions with in order to further develop their tactics.

Why don't you go back to playing Battlefield 3 and leave the analysis to people who get their information from places besides the internet and the Discovery Channel?

I agree we could never win a long term war, but the UK really has no interest in those kinds of conflict outside our territory. Its often easier to get the Americans to help in brush wars around the world, but if we really had to deal with it ourselves we could.

But we would try to resolve it quickly and come to terms, the Falklands was a good example. Make the Argentinian Navy to scared to leave its coast, drop the hint that we could and would bomb the Argentinian mainland if we had to (with the implied threat of tactical nuclear strikes) and deal with the land war in a decisive way. After that deal with it politically.

To guys, who say that US or SK or XX should liberate the NK:
You're forgetting about something. NK has nukes... lots of them.
If anyone attacks NK, China and Iran will also join the party and that's something you really don't want to happen.
Japan cannot attack anybody. After Second World War this country can utilize only local defense forces. Any act of aggression from Japan will result in ONZ retaliation and that's something JP does not want to happen.
Nobody really knows who would win if NK attacks SK (or vice versa). From our (The Rest Of The World) point of view it's better if NK invades SK, because then Phenian will be less eager to use their fireworks. But armed intervention on their turf will most certainly cause The Third World War (starting with nukes flying on left and right). NK is slowly reaching the point, where they have nothing to lose and that's something we should be affraid of. Not a bunch of hot-headed NK generals (they wont do anything stupid anyway).

And yes, crying people on the streets is a show. They have to do this or they will be charged of crime against the nation and that's reeducation camp (officialy non-existing) for many years.

I get my info from the British military who just went over to China to observe military manovers and to take a look at their tech. Anyone who thinks the chinese military are a pushover are fools.

Incidently, the chinese use their own virsions of the mig lines as well as their own stealth fighters so the aircraft the USA have are not the same as the chinese use and you dont need many planes with anti-ship missiles to break through. A single hit on the tower of a carrier is enough to put it out of action. Chinese electronic warfare is a massive part of their military which should worry you given that even Iran managed to steal a stealth drone in mid flight.



The M1 is a crap tank. It lost badly in this years international armoured vehicle event. It still uses a smooth bore barrel and the gas turbine engine cant cope with dust. The winner this year was the Challenger II which is faster, more heavily armoured, has greater range and accuracy.

Close enough to have several thousand artillery peices aimed at it

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Combat record>war games, The Abrams and the Challenger 2 have a lot in common. They have identical armour and the same turret stabilisation system, same fire control system and the same target tracking system. The German Leopard 2also shares these with the M1 and the Challenger. These three tanks are easily the best in the world though.

When the US built the M1 they exchanged the armour the UK invented for all the clever bits in the turret that allow it to see and hit targets in any conditions at maximum range however rough the ground the tank is moving over.

There should be no arguing either over the M1s combat record because it speaks for itself.

The Chinese have changed the names of their aircraft, but it's still the same aircraft with a few upgrades.

Also, electronic warfare is a massive part of just about every military. No one is ever immune to it, you just have to work through it. You've obviously never seen radar jamming from a Buff or an EA-6B. It will literally destroy your radar site.

No one is saying China is a pushover...that's just ridiculous. You, however, being the ever-hating-anything-American Brit who loves to just make sh!t up as they go along about American military capes and lims, tend to just gloss over anything American simply because you don't like us personally. This is simply irrational and illogical. The USAF and USN flies more sorties in a month than China does in a year, and let's not forget their impressive display of simple formation flying with our P-3 back in 2000, in which their pilot Wong Wei (seriously, that was his name) flew right into it, causing it to crash and killing himself in the process. Again, China's main threat is in their numbers. We don't have enough munitions in our arsenal to counter all they could throw at us. Hence, nukes.

The M1 is an old tank. You do realize the M1 entered service in 1980, and that the Challenger II entered service in 1998, right? So basically, the M1 is 20 years older in design and has since just seen upgrades, while the Challenger II is something brand spanking new. I WOULD HOPE IT PERFORMS BETTER. Still, the M1 after so many years still gives it a run for its money. What you're saying is, "Haha my i7 computer is faster than your Pentium 133!!!!", when in fact said Pentium 133 has seen so many upgrades even for being as old as it is, that it still can keep up with your i7. I don't know if that's something you really wanna brag about. It's like silly American armchair generals on the internet sneering at the new stealth MiG being developed simply because it's still using 4th generation components. It's still a big, big threat.

Also, the M1 has a combat record that speaks for itself. You can never know how good a weapon system is until you employ it in combat. That's like saying the F-15C is a POS because it's not on par with the Eurofighter, when the Eagle has proven combat capability. Hell, even the Vipers (F-16s), cheap, short range fighters with a very small radar have proven combat capability over the Eurofighter. Start employing your weapon systems in a real fight and then open your mouth.

Furthermore, the US is even questioning the use of tanks in the future. With such high-tech weaponry from munitions and UAVs, they could possibly be rendered obsolete. Conventional tank warfare is being called into question all the time.

You can talk all you want about how many Americans are fat, dumb, and ignorant (and it would be true, to be fair, and partly why I chose to stay in Europe after leaving the military), but to just brush aside the most powerful force in the history of the world simply because you don't like its citizens is nothing short of "my dad can beat up your dad" BS. No one ever claimed the UK didn't have the capability to fight; on the contrary, they're on par with the US in just about everything and in some cases, like the Challenger II, they surpass US capability. The UK has a skirmish force, albeit one of the most impressive ones, but not the military and economic empire needed to sustain a large-scale war such as the US. And let's not kid ourselves; the US is an economic empire. Therefore, to say that the UK doesn't need assistance from the US in a full-scale war is untrue. Just because you have the Queen Elizabeth and a few Eurofighters and a handful of Challenger IIs doesn't mean you can hold your own against a nation the size of Russia, China, or the US for an extended period of time without any help. There's a reason you weren't sent to Baghdad.

I doubt there will be a future conflict between the two, Its more likely that either Chinese communism will implode or the US will begin to abandon its more assertive foreign policies due to economic pressures.